Completing a slooooow tight U turn

[strom]

OK, tole zna bit uporabno... copy/paste iz zgornjega URL naslova.

LP

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Completing a slooooow tight U turn

Having ridden "The Tardis" for the 21 years (78-99) I had the machine on the road, I was always particularly interested in how the Police could manipulate their m/cycles so effectively. I must admit, this was emphasized by my neighbour, Chris, at every opportunity, as he is an ex Police pursuit guy, on his ex Police K1100LT. He also takes corners verrrry different to me.....but that's another story.

My initial ride on his K1100Lt, along with my son, whilst he and his son rode "The Tardis", spelt the death knell of my time traveller. Talk about a different generation of m/bike. That led to a test ride on a BMW K1200LT-C, which almost instantaneously followed the purchase of the same machine.

The K1200LT-C is about 130kgs heavier than my XS, and has this "top heavy" syndrome at low speeds, attached to it. Soooooo many new K12 owners have promptly dropped the brand new machine, almost on the dealer's front tarmac.

This aggrevated Chris to no end, such that he wrote the following, which I posted to the K12 site. It was/is of invaluable use to the K12 guys, and may help someone here.................

Tips for BMW riders wishing to do nice, tight U turns, without resorting to the humiliation of:

your passenger having to get off the bike;

dropping your pride and joy;

paddling your feet on the ground like you are riding a child's tricycle;

wobbling around like a learner rider;

driving around and around town until you can find a roundabout;

driving around two entire blocks, so as to reverse your direction.

This is the technique that the NSW Police pursuit motorcyclists utilise to

do U turns, whether it is on their K1100LT, their Harley Road King, or their Honda 1500. Bear in mind they have around 100kg (220lbs) of equipment on board, which would equate to a pillion passenger in most books....

This technique will turn your cycle around in a two lane road, leaving about 1.8m or 6 feet to spare. Interested? Read on....

The key to making nice, tight U turns is centripetal force. Remember that expression from your high school physics days? It is the force you can feel when you hold a spinning top, and try to move it suddenly. The top resists - the faster you spin it, the more resistance you feel. To make centripetal force work to your advantage, you induce spin into your engine components by revving the motor. Not blipping the throttle, but by running up to, and holding at around 2,500 RPM. The centripetal force exerted by your spinning engine components under these conditions is considerable -

more than enough to hold you, your bike, your pillion and luggage upright whilst you manoeuver through your turn.

The steps to follow are:

1) Pull to side of road and stop.

2) Check mirrors for traffic approaching from the rear

3) Check for oncoming traffic

4) Signal your intention to turn

5) RPM to 2500 and hold it there.

6) Clutch out until begins to engage and move off. Do not fully release -

allow to slip only. BOTH FEET UP.

7) Control your speed by using the rear brake ONLY, and continuing to

slip the clutch

8) **KEEP YOUR HEAD UP - LOOK TO WHERE YOU WANT TO GO** Failure to do so

will result in you leaning the bike, which means you are approaching

fall-over territory at low speeds.

9) Did I say KEEP YOUR HEAD UP? Well, I'm saying it again. KEEP YOUR HEAD UP.

10) Using the rear brake to control your speed, come to full lock and begin your turn. KEEP YOUR HEAD UP, and aim to turn at about walking speed.

11) KEEP YOUR HEAD UP - control your speed with the rear brake – maintain engine speed.

12) Accomplished riders do not even need to take their feet off the pegs to execute this manoeuver, especially if they keep their head you-know-where.

13) After you have completed your graceful U turn, allow the clutch to engage fully and ride off into that sunset, to the admiration of onlookers and other lesser riders that have witnessed your skill and precision.

GUIDE FOR RELUCTANT DAREDEVILS

If you are not-so-sure you can do this, try a little practise. A good venue is a car-park, where you can go nice and slow and get the hang of slipping the clutch and riding the rear brake at the same time. When you are making a U turn, you should do it at about walking speed or less - at 2500 RPM this can only be achieved by the use of both clutch-slip and rear brake. Try a few low speed figure 8 turns, wide at first, then approaching full-lock.

You will be able to do full-lock (bars against the tank) U turns in either direction with practise.

Get in the habit of keeping your feet up on the pegs, so as you develop your balance and make use of the centripetal forces generated by using the motor. (Cops call feet-down riders 'paddle-foots', and feel it is a sign of only limited ability to control the motor cycle)

A few of you are saying - slip the clutch! NEVER!! Believe me, the cost of replacing a worn clutch is much LESS than that of replacing a busted fairing. (my K1100LT has 60,000km on it and the original clutch is holding up just fine. The first 40,000km were spent as a low speed Police escort cycle)

SUMMARY

-HEAD UP HEAD UP HEAD UP HEAD UP

-ENGINE SPEED CONSTANT THROUGHOUT TURN @ 2500RPM (higher if you want even more stability)

-WALKING SPEED BY SLIPPING THE CLUTCH AND RIDING THE REAR BRAKE

-FEET UP AND ON THE PEGS

-CHECK FOR TRAFFIC IN BOTH DIRECTIONS BEFORE YOU START YOUR TURN -HEAD...........UP

Phill

[duhec]

Hmm... :?

Boš to lahko tudi praktično pokazu na kaki Moto-sredi na Prešernovem :?: :roll: :) 8)

LP duhc

[Ice]

vidi vidi,zmeri se izve nekaj novega.....bo treba trenirati tole........ ce se nocem zvrniti ze prvic. :roll: :P :lol:

[RAN]

7) Control your speed by using the rear brake ONLY, and continuing to

slip the clutch

Koliko takih manevrov je potrebno, da prekuriš sklopko ?

:?:

[hotschko]

7) Control your speed by using the rear brake ONLY, and continuing to  

slip the clutch  

Koliko takih manevrov je potrebno, da prekuriš sklopko ?

:?:

Preberi do konca ... piše tudi o tem ...

[cyc]

Umm ... :oops: :oops: Sicer je res, da je govora o kravi od motorja, ampak ... na kaki sirini se je to obracalo? Dvopasovnica ... to je sirok pojem - sploh pa v ZDA :wink:

Poligon za osmice v avtosoli, recimo, se mi ne zdi kaj sirsi, res pa je, da se tam igram(o) z er5 in podobnim - opisana tehnika je pa itak cisto drugacna, razen onega "glej kamor hoces peljat" :wink:

[Zoolo]

Strom ThanX samo no ja za tiste, ki smo bili pri Leganu na nadaljevaljnjem je manever dobro znan, prekleto smo se jebal da smo ga v osemkah in "low speed escort" vožnji "natreniral".

Fantje zadeva ni zajebancija ampak dejansko dela, hmm no ja mogoče od motorja do motorja malo prilagoditi, ... konkretno sam na Bulldogu ne potrebujem 2500 obratov amapk mi zadošča že 1800 ali celo 1600 odvisno od dneva.

Catch, je pa dejansko v drseči sklopki, zadnji zavori in pogledu naprej v iztek.

(Brane ThanX!)

Zoolo The Horrible! :twisted:

[cyc]

Strom ThanX samo no ja za tiste, ki smo bili pri Leganu na nadaljevaljnjem je manever dobro znan

Zoolo! Se zdaj ne vem, po kroznici s kakim radijem ste to peljal se :?: :?: :wink:

[Zoolo]

Zoolo! Se zdaj ne vem, po kroznici s kakim radijem ste to peljal se :?:  :?:  :wink:

CYC ne vem 2,5 metra, na koncu Kroženje okoli stožca, da maš praktično koleno ne več kot 50 centi od stožca v kateremkoli primeru, gume do roba motor položen ti pa pokonc, ... Ne vem prekleto manj od solidne ceste.

Ni krožnice to je OKOL stožca v končni fazi. Ma maš pa par vaj da prideš do tega, ena je praktično samo vožnja naravnost po koridorju mogoče 80 cm širine z eno izboblino (zaviješ levo, desno, levo) da se naučiš kontrolirat zadevo, ... pol pa zajebancija od kroženja, polaganja motorja od sebe proti tlem, ....

Shit ne vem kako bi ti opisu, ma sej boš šu do Legana pa boš vidu, ti sam izpit nared, pa pusti finese za takrat ko boš dejansko vozu.

[strom]

Hmm...  :?  

Boš to lahko tudi praktično pokazu na kaki Moto-sredi na Prešernovem :?:  :roll: :)  8)  

LP duhc

Ni panike, sam motor prpel pa je... :D

LP

[duhec]

Hmm... :?

Boš to lahko tudi praktično pokazu na kaki Moto-sredi na Prešernovem :?: :roll: :) 8)

LP duhc

Ni panike, sam motor prpel pa je... :D

LP

Ja, ne? :) Sej bi če bi imu kakega večjega, kakega BMW, s trenutnim bi blo "prelahko". :wink:

LP duhc

[Noise]

Valjda, saj to smo pri Branetu trenirali.

Hudič je če ti agregat crkne - meni je, mater mu enovaljno, in meni, mater mi smotano ker sem prehitro spustil sklopko, pa flokneš.

Drugače pa zadeva deluje _zelo_ dobro in sem jo ravno pred parimi dnevi v Grčiji demonstriral z DR250S enim grškim frajerjem... In postal ta hud frajer ehehehe 8) 8) 8)