MotoGP 2008

[brubi46]

Evo link do teksta, pol se pa lahko naprej kregate

http://www.motogpnews.com/home.php?pageid=1127

[bikez]

Me prav zanima kakšen je bil lani report? Rossi fani so odhajali iz dirke po petih krogih. Mah dejte no. Pač ima srečo, da je skoz vozil dobre motorje, razn kadar moštvu ni šlo, pa da ga imajo novinarji radi. Folk pa potem kot kot je navada malih ljudji bleje kot ovce - nažalost. Vozniki so skoraj vsi dobri, le nekateri ne dobijo nikoli šanse. Torej ob pravem času na pravem mestu.

[600rrc]

Me prav zanima kakšen je bil lani report? Rossi fani so odhajali iz dirke po petih krogih. Mah dejte no. Pač ima srečo, da je skoz vozil dobre motorje, razn kadar moštvu ni šlo, pa da ga imajo novinarji radi. Folk pa potem kot kot je navada malih ljudji bleje kot ovce - nažalost. Vozniki so skoraj vsi dobri, le nekateri ne dobijo nikoli šanse. Torej ob pravem času na pravem mestu.

-Vozniki so skoraj vsi dobri-

Maš prav ,ja

[suzuki]

Hola!

s tvojim dovoljenjem, brubi, da bo zadeva "popolna" - pri stavku

"Let me out". Meet the most hated Frenchie at Brno

manjka tale huda slikca

eden od komentarjev članka je bil tudi, da naj nekdo bejbo zadaj preštriha v Bridgestoneove barve in ji da bič v roke namesto flaše z vodo :lol1:

Popravljeno Avgust 21, 2008. Popravil suzuki

[jvalant]

A dej dej, a misliš, da je to iz uradnega rossi fan headquarterja?

... ko boš pa vedu, od kod je, pa lahk kaj sikaš.

Ma ti dej dej, sikaj ko bos vedu da ni... Ce pogledas kako je vsaka zmaga podprta z "dogodki" ti je koj jasno.. Sicer pa kaj, a ne preneses da nekdo pac slepo ne obozuje Rossija... Le kako je to mogoce? Bomo zdaj vsakega ki ma mal drugacen pogledd koj nabunkal, al kaj :evilgrin:

[ImenitnaPriložnost]

Ma ti dej dej, sikaj ko bos vedu da ni... Ce pogledas kako je vsaka zmaga podprta z "dogodki" ti je koj jasno.. Sicer pa kaj, a ne preneses da nekdo pac slepo ne obozuje Rossija... Le kako je to mogoce? Bomo zdaj vsakega ki ma mal drugacen pogledd koj nabunkal, al kaj :evilgrin:

Ma daj ne bod pameten. Še enkrat ... poglej, od kod je besedilo (brubi je dala link), pa boš vodi, da tisto ni iz Rossi fancluba, ampak pač od ljudi, ki pri vsaki dirki anredijo tako štorijo in se iz vseh hecajo.

Bunkal te ne bi, je pa treba piščance, ki pojma nimajo, včasih malo po kljunu, da se ne derejo preveč ...Kajti - eno je ppogled, drugo je pa, da nekaj 'nakladaš' samo zato, ker se ti zdi, da si pa nekaj pametnega napisal. Pač, preveri, kaj pišeš ... da ne bi izpadel budalo.

Popravljeno Avgust 22, 2008. Popravil mashina

[brubi46]

Ma daj ne bod pameten. Še enkrat ... poglej, od kod je besedilo (brubi je dala link), pa boš vodi, da tisto ni iz Rossi fancluba, ampak pač od ljudi, ki pri vsaki dirki anredijo tako štorijo in se iz vseh hecajo.

Bunkal te ne bi, je pa treba piščance, ki pojma nimajo, včasih malo po kljunu, da se ne derejo preveč ...Kajti - eno je ppogled, drugo je pa, da nekaj 'nakladaš' samo zato, ker se ti zdi, da si pa nekaj pametnega napisal. Pač, preveri, kaj pišeš ... da ne bi izpadel budalo.

Couldn't have said it better myself...

[alenn46]

pozdravljeni, slišal sem govorice, da bi naj v letu 2009 bila ena izmed dirk tudi na madžarskem?balaton-ring?ta proga se bo gradila, ali je že zgrajena?lp alen

[-Jani-]

pozdravljeni, slišal sem govorice, da bi naj v letu 2009 bila ena izmed dirk tudi na madžarskem?balaton-ring?ta proga se bo gradila, ali je že zgrajena?lp alen

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Hungari...led+in+Budapest

Dirka je predvidena za september, progo morajo pa še zgraditi. V prihodnjih letih naj bi bila pa dirka prej, tam nekako aprila/maja se mi zdi.

[Schmid87]

A plačajo karto? :P

x2 :whistle:

[Jure007]

Drugo leto Melandri namesto Westa k Kawasakiju, na Ducati prihaja Hayden, namesto haydna pa u Hondo pride Dovisioso.

Nicky Hayden je prepričan, da bo nastopil na dirki za VN San Marina prihodnji teden, pa četudi zaradi poškodbe še vedno uporablja bergle.

Američan je trdno odločen, da bo naslednji teden dirkal v San Marinu. Nicky Hayden si je poškodoval nogo na X-games in je zato že izpustil VN Češke. Trenutno še vedno uporablja bergle in je za uradno spletno stran MotoGP dejal: "Vznemirjen sem, ker se vračam v moštvo in komaj čakam na dirko, saj nikakor nisem želel izpustiti tekme v Brnu. Upal sem, da bo rehabilitacija potekala hitreje, saj sem uporabljal razne simulatorje, laser, ultrazvok, vadil sem v bazenu, da bi se poškodba čim hitreje zacelila. Še vedno rabim bergle in če ne bo res kaj hudo narobe, bom dirkal v Misanu."

Stonerja ustavil kamenček

Casey Stoner je bil največji osmoljenec zadnje velike nagrade na Češkem, saj mu je odpovedal motor. Izkazalo se je, da se je v vplinjač ducatija zagozdil kamenček, kar je onemogočilo Avstralčevo možnost za osvojitev stopničk. "Bil je perfektno oblikovan kamenček, ki je naredil škodo. Takšnega ne bi našel, pa če bi ga iskal po celem svetu. Imeli smo smolo," je vse skupaj pokomentiral Stoner.

vir: 24ur

[brubi46]

Rising sun strikes again :worship:

A Top Ten Guide to Brno, Czech Republic, 2008.

10. Colin Edwards. The ‘Texan Deflation’ was not a happy camper from the moment the first wheel was turned in practice. Possibly something to do with tyres, I believe. In the pits before the race and on the starting grid we saw lots of grimaces and theatrical rolling of the eyes, because 15th on the grid (and an eventual 14th place finish in the race) is so incredibly embarrassing for a mid-pack hack. But look on the bright side, Wally, because you were off the pace in practice and qualifying (starting 4 seconds back from noted wet weather genius, Toni Elias) at least there was no disappointing slide down the order during the race itself.

9. Dani Pedrosa. If we turned the clock back to July 12, who could have predicted that Pedrosa would score just a solitary point from the next three races? Sure, plenty of people might have wished for it—but no one would have expected such a result. His piss-poor 15th place on Sunday (barely finishing ahead of Randy de Gravel Rash), and his half-arsed effort in post-race testing have people in some quarters questioning his heart, integrity, work ethic and cod-piece size. But let me tell you, Pedrosa is going through a serious medical condition right now: erectile disfunction is no laughing matter, especially not when the boy (er, man-child) in question has yet to hit puberty. Not being able to point Percy skyward can’t do much for a rider’s confidence, and it’s clear to me that Pedders doesn’t need better tyres to improve his performance, he needs Viagra. If Dani sees blue at Misano next time out he could take the race by storm, and perhaps remind the world of that old saying: short jockeys carry long whips.

8. Kawasaki. Team Snot was the only manufacturer to have two bikes qualify in the top six, and—even more remarkably—both bikes managed to hold those positions for a big chunk of the race. Westy finished in 5th place, and smiled for the first time since Assen, 2003, and, while Hop-along Hopper faded at the very end to a disappointing 11th (still not 100% after injuring himself for the 723rd time in his career back in Assen), Kawasaki have transformed their bikes from shite into... average. The reason behind the dramatic increase in performance is an amazing story, and one I can now reveal, in a Powerslide.net exclusive: I spoke with Ichiro Matsui, the Head Janitor at the Autopolis International Racing Course in Oita-ken, Japan. He was there, tidying up at the back of the pits, on the fateful day when Melandri held his ultra top secret test during the mid-summer break for Kawasaki. As Ichiro tells it, initially, neither side was impressed with the other: Marco thought he might be red/green colourblind, and the Kawasaki people wondered why they were thinking of hiring a guy that slow when they already had West (and Jacque still waiting in the wings). Then, Marco asked them to shorten the clutch and brake levers by 1cm. Eureka! doesn’t even begin to cover the magnitude of the transformation. On his subsequent out-lap, Melandri broke Jamie Hacking’s three week old track record. Kawasaki made the same modifications to their bikes at Brno, and the rest, thanks to Marco, is history.

7. Michelin. What can be learned from statistics? (Well, apart from anything that the presenter of the argument chooses to highlight?) How about the fact that Michelin’s improved, competitive showing in 2008 is either nothing of the kind, or that they were competitive in 2007. Fact: After 12 rounds in 2007, Bridgestone runners had won 8 of 12 races, Michelin runners 4 of 12. Fact: After 12 rounds in 2008, Bridgestone runners have won 9 of 12 races, Michelin runners 3 of 12. If not for Pedrosa’s passionate embrace with an air fence at Sachsenring last month, the statistics might have been identical. Fact: Bridgestone runners have 2 more podiums than this time last year (22/36), and Michelin runners 2 less (14/36). Fact: Bridgestone are supplying tyres to one more factory bike in 2008 and Michelin to one less. When you consider that the Michelin runners (a slow American, a crash-prone de Idiot, a satellite bike rookie, a satellite bike race-day turtle, a factory bike rookie, and a factory bike championship contender) are up against a horde of Bridgestone runners (outnumbered 2:1), the numbers are actually statistically encouraging. So, maybe Laguna Seca and Brno weren’t so much ‘cover-your-eyes-awful,’ but more like ‘move along, now, nothing to see, here.’

6. Marco Melandri and Nicky Hayden. These guys have been crap for two years, and yet both appear to be signed up for factory rides in 2009. How does that work? Yeah, yeah, I know, past history, blah, blah, blah. But if that’s the criteria, bring back Barros. The Brazilian legend (in his own lunchtime) has almost as many race wins as these two guys combined. Put him on one of those bikes, and he’d have an equally good chance to have a disappointing season as those two. The fact that Melandri finished 7th on a day where Bridgestone dominated, and a satellite Ducati made the podium, has people wetting their pants (he also made up 4 positions on the last 3 laps) is nothing but another damning reminder of Marco’s annis horribilis. And why does Hayden get a free pass for getting himself foolishly injured during the mid-summer break? Sure, his defence of the no.8 plate was all but a foregone conclusion anyway, so why not have some fun in a Supermotard race—but how about showing a bit of respect to your employer!

5. Shinya Nakano. What a difference a factory bike can make: Mr. Perennial P9, P10 brought home his Bridgestone-shod, spring valve-engined Honda in 4th place. Watching him in the rarified atmosphere of the top 5 was reminiscent of those once or twice yearly performances from Colin Edwards. And, given his lap times from mid-race onwards, Nakano had the pace to have finished on the podium, if only he hadn’t blown the start. Spring-valve + Bridgestone – fat American must just = a winning formula. No wonder Pedrosa was so sour the whole weekend long, pondering (not for the first time) why HRC wouldn’t split the Repsol Honda pits just as Fiat Yamaha did—after all, if HRC are doing everything possible to shaft Hayden and ensure he fails, why not give Bridgestones to the rider who ‘deserves them most’?

4. Casey Stoner. If they awarded points for dominating practice and taking pole in a cakewalk Stoner would be leading the championship by a country mile. To that you can add: if they awarded points for annihilating the lap record in testing following the race, Stoner would be awarded the championship by default, and races themselves would have no meaning. But to finish first, first you must not flush your championship chances down the toilet with a stupid crash. After the race at Sachsenring, Casey mentioned how difficult that race had been, with dozens of ‘little loses’ that he was lucky to recover each time. Well, I guess we know now what it looks like when he has a ‘little lose’ that he can’t recover from. Fifty points in six rounds is a tough ask, but Stoner does have Vale’s annual gravel-kissing ceremony at Valencia to look forward to. But even that might not win him the championship, so he should concentrate on racking up more race wins than Rossi for 2008; then all those Rossi fans who were carping on back in 2006 about how the number of race wins determines the ‘real champion’ will comfortably be able to acknowledge Stoner’s superiority.

3. Toni Elias. ‘Something inside’ Elias told him that he could get a good result at Brno. No shit, Toni, it’s contract time. Fear can be a powerful motivator. Despite stalling the bike on the warm-up lap and starting from 13th on the grid, Elias powered through the field to take second, ‘only’ 15 seconds down on the race winner. It was a riding lesson of the type not seen since Rossi’s performance at Catalunya earlier in the season. And, judging by the post-Brno rumour mill, it looks like someone will be fooled into signing Elias up again, keeping him in MotoGP for another year. Toni’s apparently already ruled out riding alongside Nitro Nori for Yamaha in WSBK (imagine the hammering he’d give to the Pirellis), because, unless he stays in MotoGP with Pedrosa, Elias would be the smallest rider on the grid and thus become a target for all those cruel Spanish Dwarf jokes.

2. Valentino Rossi. Win number 5 for the season was achieved with monotonous ease, as Rossi moved to put one hand on the championship cup. After Rossi’s modest start, which included taking half a lap to deal with Hopkins, Stoner had carved out a one second gap that proceeded to fluctuate a few tenths in either direction until lap 6 when Stoner went down for the count, leaving Rossi to cruise to victory. Some guys have all the luck, I mean, c’mon! ...how many riders have a pregnant brolly dolly, whose belly they can fondle on the starting grid? The whole Rossi-was-catching-but-Stoner-said-he-could-do-1:56s debate really doesn’t matter. Rossi was very confident of his pace in the post-race press conference, and Stoner actually managed 1:55s in post-race testing, so the only losers in this little game of ‘I was/could’ve been faster’ happened to be us, the viewers.

1. Alberto Puig. The evil Pig-man as a populist revolutionary? Truth is stranger than fiction. But on Sunday, moments before the race, Alberto was rushing from Michelin-shod pit-box to Michelin-shod pit-box trying to organise an Indianapolis F1-style race boycott by all the Michelin runners. That it failed so spectacularly is in no way a reflection on his popularity and standing within the GP paddock community. Although, given the performance of Pedrosa and Edwards (it’s hard to tell on recent form with James Ellison... er, I mean, Toseland), it does appear he managed to coordinate a half-hearted race effort. Perhaps he’ll turn up at Misano in army fatigues, sporting a Che Guevara beret and three-day growth?

vir: http://www.powerslide.net/forum/

[Furioso]

Izkazalo se je, da se je v vplinjač ducatija zagozdil kamenček...

vir: 24ur

:lol1: :lol1:

dober vir tole... :lol1:

Popravljeno Avgust 26, 2008. Popravil Furioso

[Furioso]

Rising sun strikes again :worship:

Heh, no, še malo satire...

http://www.motogpnews.com/home.php?pageid=1127

[Jure007]

:lol1: :lol1:

dober vir tole... :lol1:

Sej veš, da je Gaber po dirki šu, pa razdru motor pa pregledu, da je pol novica kot more bit .)

[MihaJ]

:lol1: :lol1:

dober vir tole... :lol1:

Točno ista stvar je v ponedeljek po dirki pisala na motogp.com, tako da so najbrž s tam povzeli :whistle:

[Jure007]

A Poggiali se pa poslavlja? Škoda, bil je odličen dirkač, škoda, da so ga ustavile poškodbe. Se je pa dečko pametno odločil. Če ne gre več, je škoda, da se matra. Svoje dirkaško znanje je dokazal z dvema osvojenima naslovoma svetovnega prvaka.

[Sam dePihlja]

Intervju z Valetom in kup zanimivih informacij :worship:

http://www.cycleworld.com/article.asp?sect...;article_id=859

CW 5Q: Valentino Rossi

MotoGP's biggest star looks to the past for a brighter future.

By Matthew Miles, Photos by Mark Wernham

August 2008

The routine may be the same, but Rossi is not pleased with the direction MotoGP has gone in recent years. "Five years ago, it was a big fight between riders, and it was more fun," he said.

Asking a racer for an interview at the racetrack is asking for trouble. Emotions run high. Time is short. Sponsor obligations must be met. It's tough for riders to find time for journalists.

No one in MotoGP is more under the gun than Valentino Rossi . Yet he somehow allocates space in his schedule every race weekend for four interviews; most writers covering the series get 10 minutes with him at some point during the season. Make those questions count!

On the Friday prior to July's Red Bull U.S. Grand Prix at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca, CW Technical Editor Kevin Cameron and I spent 22 minutes with Rossi in the rider lounge of the U.S. Yamaha truck. As has been our experience in the past, he welcomed us with a smile and handshake, then patiently and thoughtfully answered our questions.

Is it true that your Yamaha M1 had to be turned inside out for the switch this season from Michelin to Bridgestone tires?

We had some problem with Michelin at the end of 2006 in the last two races at Portugal and in Valencia. In 2007, it was a disaster for everybody. We had some good tracks but a lot of problems at other tracks. The atmosphere was not like we want. I speak with Jeremy Burgess and my crew, and we decide to try for Bridgestone. I meet with the team, test and we understand better the bigger development of Bridgestone—that they are better in all conditions.

We have to change a lot in the setting because the Bridgestones are a lot different than the Michelins. I have to ride the bike in a different way. We always have a good chassis—good agility. This year, the bike improved a lot in the engine and also in all the electronic systems. Last year, it was a lot more difficult to ride. These tires have better edge grip than Michelin, but turning is more difficult. We have to set the bike to use edge grip so it doesn't lose too much corner speed.

The worst place was Qatar at the beginning of the season because we weren't ready. After that, we go to two difficult racetracks for Bridgestone—Jerez and Estoril—where we were struggling a lot with the grip of the rear especially. We found good grip at Shanghai in China. At that moment, the situation came better; we were able to find better grip and a better setting.

We use sometimes same, sometimes not same, sometimes similar tires to Casey Stoner. We developed a lot at the beginning of the season the Bridgestone tires—new rubbers and casings. The feeling between me and Casey is very similar. For example, at Sachsenring, yes, on the wet, but also on the dry, we had the same tire choice. With Bridgestone, you know exactly which tire the other guys use. The other guys know exactly which tire I use. It is a lot more open with everybody. Michelin was more secret.

You look very smooth here. When you come off the corners, it looks as if you are...calm. Stoner looks like he's riding hard—the engine is popping and barking. As if he's saying, "There's no time to waste!" Whereas the Yamaha just sings that deep song that it makes.

This is my riding style—especially together with Yamaha. Because with this bike, I need to ride very smoothly and not too aggressive. You need a fine style to ride M1.

When I arrive at Yamaha in 2004, we had the 990. We tried to find a better engine solution that is smoother on the acceleration because the inline-Four is too aggressive. We continue that way because we want to find the right flow, the right smoothness from the engine.

I think that at the beginning of the season we were very good, maybe better than the Ducati because the Ducati is a bit more difficult to ride. But now, especially from Donington, after the Barcelona test, they find something better for the electronics, and it looks like the bike has become easier to ride. And Stoner rides very strong.

I'm wondering if we're seeing an electronic war developing or, in fact, if all the makes will find the same answers and if the motorcycles will simply be the same at a very high level.

I think this is a bad way for our sport. Now, the level is so high, it is an electronic war, like you say. Before, the bike changed less between the beginning and the end of the season. Now, the development is incredible. Unfortunately, the races are boring; no way to overtake. The bikes have a lot of control, especially on acceleration, so the riders are able to open the throttle easier compared to the 990. It is more important to find the setting for the electronics turn-by-turn to accelerate without sliding.

We are incredibly fast in the corner now. We have less chance to make mistake because of the electronics, but when something wrong happens, the crash is always bad because the speed is so high. From zero to 10, the electronics are safe. But now we are at 28.

Before, we have to open the throttle from the edge of the corner, wait a bit, put more tire on the ground, use acceleration and control with the throttle the wheelie. So we are able to arrive at 100 percent throttle 70 meters after the corner. Now, edge grip, full throttle and all the electronics manage the power and the wheelie. So we arrive at the next corner a lot faster. More important, if you make a corner 15 kilometers per hour faster than in the past, you need 30 meters more run-off area. In Qatar, we are in the center of the desert; you have a lot of room. Here, at Sachsenring, at Assen—smack!

Kenny Roberts Jr. suggested that a possible solution might be 1200cc, a spec tire and no traction control. Is that something that you would find interesting?

For me, 990cc was enough; 1200 is a lot of power! We should try to reduce the development of the tires and reduce the electronics. Now, the traction control levels all the riders. If you find something better in the electronics, it makes a big difference, and you're able to ride the bike faster and with less effort. They have to think of something with the electronics—having the throttle in the hand, as in the past. More overtaking, better races, more fun—a little bit flexible bike, you know? More fight.

Before, the fastest rider had a great relationship with the throttle—like love with the throttle. Now, it's a computer; it is not possible to slide. Sometimes, it is not possible to make wheelie. The bike understands if the front is not on the ground, and it cuts the power. To make one wheelie for the fans with 200 horsepower, why did it become difficult? In 2003, already with the four-stroke, at the end of practice, everybody makes wheelie and lot of slides. Now, everybody is like Formula One; we come back to the pit and we make nothing . I think this is quite bad for our sport. It was our positive thing: slide, overtake. It was what we were best at compared with Formula One.

If we try to cut the electronics, we have to pick a tire that has less edge grip but more traction. Naturally, we start to lose some corner speed, we start to accelerate with the throttle and control the speed. Maybe more fight, more overtaking.

A couple of people have proposed that a motorcycle might be able to accelerate faster if it's still leaned over a little bit than it can when it's upright because the center of mass is lower so it doesn't pick up the front wheel as much. I suppose a person would have to look at computer data for that, yes?

Yes, yes, it's true. If you're at an angle, you have less wheelie. Before, the bigger enemy was the slide—the traction. Now, the traction is unbelievable. The enemy is the wheelie.

[Schmid87]

A Poggiali se pa poslavlja? Škoda, bil je odličen dirkač, škoda, da so ga ustavile poškodbe. Se je pa dečko pametno odločil. Če ne gre več, je škoda, da se matra. Svoje dirkaško znanje je dokazal z dvema osvojenima naslovoma svetovnega prvaka.

Manu je po dveh naslovih mislim da pregorel. :) nisem si mislil da bo tako hitro pristal na dnu lestvice.. ampak je pa vredno spoštovanja kar je dosegel v teh nižjih klasah.

[KennyJR]

hjah fp1 je končan

rezultati pa

stoner B

edwards M +0,002

de angelis B +0,7

lorenzo M +0,9

rossi B +1,0

hayden M +1,0

dovizioso M

vermeulen B

toseland M

nakano B

[SONCE]

Se Michelin popravlja?

[KennyJR]

vse tako kaže ja :)

[KennyJR]

konc fp2:

stoner

rossi 0,4

capirossi 0,5

de puniet 0,8

vermeulen 0,9

lorenzo 0,9

de angelis

edwards

nakano

toseland

rossi zaostaja več kot je pa v brnu, ostali pa so tut kr blizu, vsaj rossiju :)

[mitiž46]

v brnu je rossi na treningih dovolj zaostajal, cca pol sekunde v povprečju, sam pol na dirki je nekak stonerju spodrsnilo :rolleyes:

[KennyJR]

v brnu je rossi na treningih dovolj zaostajal, cca pol sekunde v povprečju, sam pol na dirki je nekak stonerju spodrsnilo :rolleyes:

torej je tvoje edino upanje da stonerju zopet spodrsne? :worship: