Powercommander, Racing Power Chip

[Frips]

Kaj pravite, je to možno (za samo 30 EUR) in na kakšen način bi to delovalo :hmm:??? Naj bi se priklopila kot "plug&play" v 5 minutah.

Spodaj sem prilimal tekst z opisom, ni se mi dalo prevajat.

horsepower gain :

according to the manufacturer's info , nitro x unit will help your bike gain up to 15 - 20% more bhp depending on the programme you choose and the potentials of your engine. the more bhp your bike produces the more bhp it will gain.

how it works:

the device can produce 15 preset fuel management programmes from which you can select the one you prefer.selection of programmes is made by turning on/off the switches on the device.

what it does:

it will advance ignition timing 1-2 degrees for better fuel burning and it will alter the fuel management commands to the ecu according to the setting you choose.

benefits:

1. your bike will produce more bhp throught the whole powerband and the torque will increase significantly.

2. performance increase is dynoproved and equivalent in most cases to other expensive fuel management devices but only at a fraction of their price.

3. in some cases bikes that already had a famous fuel control device already installed showed an extra power gain on the dynotester(1-2 bhp) with the use of nitro x

4. it's a reasonably priced solution for your bike to help you deal with flat spots and power loss when you have installed a racing/high flow filter or a new racing exhaust

5. easy on course change of programmes (especially when installed near the handlebars or on petrol tank.

plug n' play :

just plug it in and select the programme you want using the switches on the control unit .no cutting wires or other difficult and risky procedures involved.

[condor]

Slišat je zelo zanimivo, vendar dvomim v njegove sposobnosti.

[DAN]

The ONE and ONLY

[Jure]

Tudi jaz dvomim v takšne sposobnosti.. Bo pomoje kar za Powercommander treba skeširat :D

[Frips]

Sicer sem to zasledil na ebay-u. Če gledam po feedbacku kupcev, ki so kupili, pravijo da se pozna :hmm:

[MarduK]

Ja no...materiala sigurno tudi za 30EUR ni. Te elektronske komponente, ki so vgrajene v PC so poceni, se jih da tudi popravljat ipd...če se seveda spoznaš na elektroniko. Pri PC plačaš večinoma samo razvoj in pa znamko, ponavadi še astronomsko trgovsko maržo. Možno je, da je to samo poceni kopija. Ampak če deluje, zakaj pa ne. Probi, da vidmo če se splača :)

Popravljeno December 19, 2007. Popravil MarduK

[Butnglavc]

poznalo se bo tudi, ko bo kaj poknalo.

[danci1973]

Zanimivo bi bilo vedet, kam oz. na katere konektorje se ta zadeva priklopi... Če se priklopi med ECU in injektore, potem bi lahko bilo kaj na tem.

Če pa se priklopi namesto ali zraven h kakšnemu senzorju (temperatura zraka, hladilne tekočine, ...), je to en navaden B.S.

D.

[Frips]

Sem jim poslal vprašanje kam se to priklopi, pa da vidimo kaj bo iz tega.

[misty]

Zanimivo bi bilo vedet, kam oz. na katere konektorje se ta zadeva priklopi... Če se priklopi med ECU in injektore, potem bi lahko bilo kaj na tem.

Če pa se priklopi namesto ali zraven h kakšnemu senzorju (temperatura zraka, hladilne tekočine, ...), je to en navaden B.S.

D.

pa saj vidiš da je zraven števcev ... :naughty:

[gody01]

pa saj vidiš da je zraven števcev ... :naughty:

Hm ...

Speed multiplyer.

Pol se pa čudiš ko skuterji po mestu mimo tebe švigajo, na števcu ti pa kaže190 :)

No ja, adrenalin pa se vseeno dvigne ...

[Jure]

Sem jim poslal vprašanje kam se to priklopi, pa da vidimo kaj bo iz tega.

Poročaj, ko odgovorijo :)

Čeprav pomoje je PowerCommander vseeno boljša izbira, lahko priklopiš na PC in si sam nastavljaš zadevo.

[Dolenc™]

Kolk sploh stane powecomander?

[danci1973]

Kolk sploh stane powecomander?

V EU okrog 300€, v GB okrog 300 GBP, v USA okrog 300$. Na E-Bay-u se da dobit še za par 10 €/GBP/$ ceneje.

D.

[Frips]

Odgovoril je tole

Hello,

it's the plug of the sensor on the filterbox.

:hmm:

[ICE_MAN]

GPR power pack, ceneje kot Power Commander vendar podobno....

3 modeli:

ENERGY -->cirka 190EUR

Electronic control system, made in plastic with two controls for increasing fuel injection, this line is dedicated to the competitive scooter crowd, in some cases (only when necessary) you can also lean out the injectors at low rpms.

EXTREME-->cirka 210EUR

Electronic control system, made using aluminum and designed with dual-controls to improve fuel injection performance. This kit is ideal for people who use their bikes mostly as regular transportation and includes the necessary controls for

EXTREME MULTILEVEL-->cirka 330EUR

Electronic control system, also made in aluminum with four controls to increase or reduce injection on three separate levels; low, mid and high range with the possibility to change the rev ranges, i.e. the possibility to tune your system for any track and/or climate condition. This kit was designed for and ideal for motorcycle racing.

http://www.gpr.it/centraline.php

[danci1973]

Hello,

it's the plug of the sensor on the filterbox.

Odgovoril je tole

:hmm:

Yup, B.S. (za nepoučene - Bull Shit).

Zadeva spremeni signal za temperaturo vhodnega zraka, na podlagi tega pa bi naj ECU pripravil nekoliko bogatejšo mešanico (hladen zrak ima več kisika, torej lahko daš več goriva).

Seveda se to lahko malce pozna, če je motor zaradi doseganja nižjih emisij tovarniško nastavljen na bolj revno mešanico, vsekakor pa je to daleč od kakšnega 'optimiranja' in še dlje od 10-15% prirastka moči.

Poleg tega večina ECU-jev ne upošteva senzorjev ko popolnoma odpreš lopute.

D.

[danci1973]

GPR power pack, ceneje kot Power Commander vendar podobno....

3 modeli:

ENERGY -->cirka 190EUR

Electronic control system, made in plastic with two controls for increasing fuel injection, this line is dedicated to the competitive scooter crowd, in some cases (only when necessary) you can also lean out the injectors at low rpms.

EXTREME-->cirka 210EUR

Electronic control system, made using aluminum and designed with dual-controls to improve fuel injection performance. This kit is ideal for people who use their bikes mostly as regular transportation and includes the necessary controls for

EXTREME MULTILEVEL-->cirka 330EUR

Electronic control system, also made in aluminum with four controls to increase or reduce injection on three separate levels; low, mid and high range with the possibility to change the rev ranges, i.e. the possibility to tune your system for any track and/or climate condition. This kit was designed for and ideal for motorcycle racing.

http://www.gpr.it/centraline.php

Te GPR zadeve so natančno isti B.S., le da so dosti dražje. Sem jih nekoč prosil za navodilo za priklop in montažo - tudi ta se priklopi med senzor za temperaturo zraka in ECU:

SUZUKI_SV_1000_2003____PJ003.pdf

D.

Popravljeno December 19, 2007. Popravil danci1973

[Jure]

Se je tudi meni zdelo, da bo kaj takega.. Btw, Powercommander je na nemškem Ebayu za večino motorjev 275 EUR, sem zadnjič nekaj gledal.. Pomoje zna bit kar ok zadeva, glede na to, da si lahko prilagajaš različne mape in si tudi nastaviš motor npr. na manjšo porabo pri navadnji vožnji, za večjo moč oz prožnost na dirkališču, itd..

[Frips]

@danci1973: thx prjatu, sem vedel, da boš ti znal to razvozlati.

Bomo pa PCIII dali enkrat gor, mogoče, saj ne da ga rabim :rolleyes:

[simonsi]

DIY Powercommander: Mega Squirt

[danci1973]

DIY Powercommander: Mega Squirt

Mega Squirt pa je krepko več kot Power Commander... V Sloveniji jih je že kar nekaj.

D.

[Tratnjak Damijan]

Lastniki motorjev Moto guzzi Quota so sprobal tud power comander, ki pa ni uspešno odpravil luknje med 4000-5000 obratov. Elektronik je veliko na trgu, pa nažalost niso tako dobre kot obljubljajo.

[danci1973]

Lastniki motorjev Moto guzzi Quota so sprobal tud power comander, ki pa ni uspešno odpravil luknje med 4000-5000 obratov. Elektronik je veliko na trgu, pa nažalost niso tako dobre kot obljubljajo.

To lahko pomeni:

1. da Power Commander ni bil dobro nastavljen - samo montaža PC-ja in nalaganja neke 'generične mape' ne more odpraviti ničesar
2. luknje ne povzroča elektronski vbrizg
3. je originalna tabela vbrizga (fueling map) tako zelo mimo, da PC nima dovolj velikega razpona korekcije

D.

[Tratnjak Damijan]

Samo, a ni čudno, da če pa vso elektronsko kramo dol pobereš pa daš gor frgazrje, pa navaden elektr. vžig pa ful lepo dela-preverjeno.??? :unsure: