GPS sledilnik

[Kugelschreiber]

15 hours ago, spuzvica said:

Po 13000km Spanije in Portugalske, pretezno TETa, sem spisal en review mojega setupa, s katerim sem zadovoljen in ne bi prakticno nic menjal. Morda komu pride prav pri odlocitvah. Upam da ne moti, da je v anglescini, ker sem spisal se za par drugih namenov.

I have used various means of navigating with my motorbikes but most have been aimed at adventure & offroad riding. To put it into perspective, it means lots of TET and occasional road navigation to get from A to B in an unknown city.

Here is how I progressed through various devices:

• It started with a basic Garmin Zumo on my old Africa Twin. I liked the Zumo, it was always powered, never ran out of battery, handled the rain and the vibrations and was clearly visible in the sunlight. What I hated was: really slow, just one type of map on it, needed a laptop to upload anything to it. I know there are newer devices mitigating most of just listed niggles but for the time being I am not going back to this type of device which I shall explain in a bit.
• Having moved from the Africa to the AJP PR7, the PR7 came with a Samsung Active tablet already mounted on it. While the tablet is now a flexible Android device with a larger screen, I had too many issues with it to really go back: charging would stop working, small droplets (not heavy rain) made it unusable as it went crazy, it was also quite slow and one could not take it out of the mount easily to take it with me to configure it for next day's riding.
• Having sold the PR7 for giving me a bunch of problems overall, I moved to Tenere 700 and did not want to spend lots of money on navigation anymore. So I mounted a Sony Xperia phone which took me through a recent 13000km ride of TET Spain and Portugal and I was very happy with it.

Here is the hardware set up:

• Phone: Sony Xperia Z3 Compact. It's my old personal phone so it did not cost me anything but it is quite old and outdated by today's standards but updates are still available for all the Google Play apps. However, it is IP68 water/dust resistant and it survived the trip. I had a spare Samsung Galaxy S8 with me that a friend gave me but I did not use it. Additionally, I had my main personal phone that I could use for navigation if both failed.
• Phone mount: Ram Mounts Quick-Grip Phone Holder (27EUR), see photo. I have tried other holders but really like this one for the following reasons:
  • It's flexible and can be adjusted to carry any average size phone (it cannot hold some really large ones I think).
  • Having done lots of pretty hard offroad the phone never budged. It stayed safely in place at all times.
  • It's easy and quick to put the phone in or take it out when leaving the bike unattended.
  • It's light. I have bought another steel holder with a lock but that thing weighs 600g which is just too heavy to put so high up on that tiny bar.
  • It mounts to any AMPS-compatible adapter (I am using the rally raid adapter https://www.rally-raidproducts.co.uk/yamaha-t7-tenere/gps-multi-mount ).
• Charging cable: The importance of high quality cables is often overlooked. I used the following one: https://titanpowerplus.com/pages/titancable It's rugged and uses a 90degree charging plug design which handles lots of vibrations well. I used the short 0.5m one that costs 15EUR. I also had a spare with me I did not need.
• Remote control: Home made solution using cheap waterproof buttons and some resistors wired up to a standard headset plug of the Sony Xperia. This allows me to zoom in/zoom out the map without taking my hand off the handlebars. Worked wonderfully! You can read more about it here: https://www.tenere700.net/topic/2745-handlebar-controller-for-zoom-inout-trip-computer-switch/
• Good quality USB charger. I had two on the bike, a permanent waterproof one I bought online and a standard 12V socket one.

From a HW perspective, I find this setup great for the following reasons:

• It's cheap.
• It's light.
• If I fall off the bike, my personal phone is still on me in case an emergency call is needed. I also carried a Garmin Inreach. The Garmin device broke after 2 days and I could not get it fixed until the end of the trip which is an additional reason I am not going back to Garmin. Not because of the poor Garmin quality but because this can happen and having an extra Garmin would be too expensive.
• Using your personal phone as navigation is a bad idea. Vibrations can easily kill phones so getting stuck without navigation and a phone connection in the middle of nowhere would really suck.
• I can take the phone out easily overnight or when going for coffee and doing route adjustments.
• And what is most important, it's a redundant setup using widely available parts. I had a spare phone (Samsung Galaxy S8) already preconfigured with the same setup as my Sony Xperia and could quickly replace it in my RAM mount if the Sony died. If the second one dies, I can walk into any store and buy another cheap Android phone, the RAM mount is flexible enough to support any average size phone. I also had two USB chargers on the bike, one permanent and one 12V socket one. When doing long travels off-road, redundancy is king.

Now, let's move to the software side. 

• Let's start with the base app/launcher. As a base android home launcher, I use the Drive Mode Dashboard (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.thorkracing.dmd2launcher ). It came with the AJP PR7 tablet, I really liked it and it can be installed on any Android device.
• As a main navigation app I have now been using OsmAnd+ for years but did start out by trying a few different apps. It does a lot of things really well:
  • It's free (but I am so happy with it that I use a paid version now just to make sure the authors get a bit of credit)
  • It allows you to have as many offline maps installed as the phone memory allows you to. Besides the standard maps I also have Contour Lines installed which allows me to find my way out of a pickle when offroading. Or even better, make sure I don't get into one I cannot get out of. Quite important when you are riding solo offroad.
  • It records tracks.
  • It works with my external zoom-in/zoom-out buttons.
  • Customizable screen so you can pick what is displayed at all times (speed, elevation, distance to next marker, etc)
  • Can display multiple GPX tracks in different colours which comes handy when doing day-trips and having multiple options in the same area that I can then combine into a daily route.
• Track repository app: Google Drive. I have all the GPXs stored on my google drive. When I need to download another GPX to the phone, I simply share my phone's connection as WIFI or if I am at home I am already connected to WIFI in the garage. Same goes with recorded tracks, they get stored to the Google Drive which means I can view them, edit them or share them on my laptop.
• For on road adventures, I find the Kurviger app (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gr.talent.kurviger&hl=en&gl=US ) really good as it allows you to plan a trip through unknown twisty roads anywhere. It has a mobile app you can use on the fly or a desktop one for planning ahead.
• For turn-by-turn, Google Maps is still the best but I need to share the connection on my phone for it to work. OsmAnd+ turn-by-turn fails too often.

Hopefully this can come handy to others struggling to decide on their setup.

berem na FB....in si mislim, AJP očitno pogosto heca svoje lastnike, en z MS je tud mel težavice z njim.....  

[spuzvica]

Pravkar, Kugelschreiber pravi:

berem na FB....in si mislim, AJP očitno pogosto heca svoje lastnike, en z MS je tud mel težavice z njim.....  

hehe, res je

[mladench]

tak set-up imam v mislih... ampak... a se da tale Billet Multi-Mount for 12mm (1/2") Crossbar - RRP 643 (rally-raidproducts.co.uk) dobiti kje v EU? je našel kdo kaj podobnega? obračam gugla pa mi tale billet še najlepš

[HyperJack]

pred 4 urami, mladench pravi:

tak set-up imam v mislih... ampak... a se da tale Billet Multi-Mount for 12mm (1/2") Crossbar - RRP 643 (rally-raidproducts.co.uk) dobiti kje v EU? je našel kdo kaj podobnega? obračam gugla pa mi tale billet še najlepš

Kaj pa je to porezkat :D, 2urce dela.

[mladench]

11 minutes ago, HyperJack said:

Kaj pa je to porezkat :D, 2urce dela.

jst lohk doma sam les švasam  oz. še to ne, k nimam švas aparata  sm enga kitajca naroču.

Čist pozabu nate, da bi ti zatežu  

[spuzvica]

Ob 3. 8. 2022 ob 8:28, mladench pravi:

tak set-up imam v mislih... ampak... a se da tale Billet Multi-Mount for 12mm (1/2") Crossbar - RRP 643 (rally-raidproducts.co.uk) dobiti kje v EU? je našel kdo kaj podobnega? obračam gugla pa mi tale billet še najlepš

Ja jaz sem jih videl tudi drugje, recimo tole? 

https://www.radegarage.com/parts-us/garmin-adapter-us/

https://www.fc-moto.de/en/SW-Motech-GPS-mount-for-crossbar-O-10/12-mm-Black

Popravljeno Avgust 4, 2022. Popravil spuzvica

[akrobar]

On 8/3/2022 at 8:28 AM, mladench said:

tak set-up imam v mislih... ampak... a se da tale Billet Multi-Mount for 12mm (1/2") Crossbar - RRP 643 (rally-raidproducts.co.uk) dobiti kje v EU? je našel kdo kaj podobnega? obračam gugla pa mi tale billet še najlepš

Mogoče ti pa en s 3D tiskalnikom lahko reši zadevo - eno hitro iskanje:

 https://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=Garmin+zumo+12+mm&page=1&type=things&sort=relevant.

Če 

[mladench]

hvala vam. Sm kitajca naroču, pravjo da bo drug tedn tle.

[DAMI34]

čas za spremembe? Namesto garmina in tomtoma, ali lastnega founa, tablica? Kot jo ima AJP pr7? 

 

Že nekaj časa mi gre garmin total na qurtz (zastareli softwer, stalna posodabljanja, razni bugi, počasnost pri pregledu map, tomtom je v isti grupi, mal manj me nervira lastni foun z zaželjeno app tipa osmand+ ali kak igo, ampak, uničuje baterijo, vedno ga moram sneti dol za kako fotko itd...mali ekran za stare strice

Mogoče je čas, da si omislim nekaj bolj prijetnega  in preglednega po velikosti za moje oči? 

 

[raza]

Čas gre samo naprej in izboljšave so neizbežne. Toda brez posodabljanja in dela z računalnikom kot izgleda ne bo šlo.

Tudi sam si želim čim manj šare za krmilom....zato v kratkem pričakujem, da bo vse združeno v enem zaslonu. 

Kar me skrbi je to, da kot v avto industriji tudi v moto ne bo šlo v poenotenje, ampak bo vsak hotel svoj tržni delež in s tem raznolikost SW in posodabljanje na uradnih servisih, seveda ne brez mošnjička....

[DAMI34]

sej je že sedaj na zaslonu, ktm ima bmw ima, ampak ni to to..je pa kar dobra rešitev, če rabiš samo za normalno vožnjo, celo gpx lahko uvoziš (vsaj za ktm to velja), pa foun v žep.

Sem pa malo skeptičen, če bo kdaj na tovarniškem zaslonu, kot je na tablici, katero lahko sam preurejaš.

[Kugelschreiber]

Kupi, @DAMI34, kupi. Ne bit škrt do sebe. 😄

 

Škilim za kakimi rugged androidi, pa ne vem, brand name so precej drage, čangšlang začnejo okrog 300. Namenski navi setup pride jurja. Meni predrago. Kaj si ti zacahnal? 

 

[raza]

Pri vseh teh tablicah me bode v oči sistem napajalnih kablov. Ko vidim te mikro vtiče ala telefoni, me zmrazi. Sicer na AJP v kombinaciji z Brodit nosilcem ima dodatne pine v ležišču, toda offroad in pogoji tam? sem skeptičen, da bo delovalo b.p. 

Brodit nosilec sem uporabljal še v času navigacije z HP dlančnikom. V mokrem, ni šlo.

Tovarniški zasloni imajo priklop fiksen, zatesnjen, pa so še šibak člen.

[Kugelschreiber]

9 minutes ago, raza said:

Pri vseh teh tablicah me bode v oči sistem napajalnih kablov. Ko vidim te mikro vtiče ala telefoni, me zmrazi. Sicer na AJP v kombinaciji z Brodit nosilcem ima dodatne pine v ležišču, toda offroad in pogoji tam? sem skeptičen, da bo delovalo b.p. 

Brodit nosilec sem uporabljal še v času navigacije z HP dlančnikom. V mokrem, ni šlo.

Tovarniški zasloni imajo priklop fiksen, zatesnjen, pa so še šibak člen.

Za to se pocenske ne upam kupit, zaresne pa so mi prevč cvenka. Tablice imajo nek avtonomije, so relativno velike in majo večje baterije kot navadni telefoni in navigacije. Če to spariš z nosilcem in  brezžičnim polnilcem, tudi če ne dohaja porabe, bi moral mirno prevozit dan.

[DAMI34]

pred 14 urami, Kugelschreiber pravi:

Kupi, @DAMI34, kupi. Ne bit škrt do sebe. 😄

 

Škilim za kakimi rugged androidi, pa ne vem, brand name so precej drage, čangšlang začnejo okrog 300. Namenski navi setup pride jurja. Meni predrago. Kaj si ti zacahnal? 

 

točno to, kar ma AJP pr7 al pa kar ima tip na zgornjem posnetku (samo zacahnal sem, zadeva nikakor ni poceni) Samsung tablica (400-600€) + nosilec za zaklenit (spet čez 100€).

Ne vem pa kok zadeve zdržijo. ampak če majo na PR7, neki že mora zdržat. Je pa dobesedno tablica v plastičnem okvirju, še USB napajanje je dobesedno prelepljeno z izolir trakom, da se ne izklopi

kako je sestavljeno:

 

pa kaj vse ima/nima

dobro izgleda, velika uporabnost, seveda za motor, ki ima prostor za namestitev. Na kako ninđo ne paše

 

Kar se pa rugged founa tiče, mam (moj prejšnji foun) Crosscall in sem že imel idejo, da izdelam škatlico, pa mi je nekoliko premali, da bi se mi dalo zabavat z njim. Drgač deluje odlično, nobenih problemov, tut če je dež. Ampak isto zmore moj sedanji foun, oziroma bolje, ker ma zadnje nastavitve, mape in podoben šit. Pa smotano mi je 2 founa s sabo vlačit. Je pa nerodno in uničujoče za baterijo, ker je 2x letno po cele dneve na napajalniku, pa če hočem kaj slikat, stalno iztikanje itd..ampak ja, ga uporabljam tudi na terenu. Torej prah, voda, špricanje po njem, tresenje IP68 se obnese)

V hudem nalivu (na mestu) se mu mal meša, ker dežne kaplje tolčejo po ekranu in "tipkajo"  . Med vožnjo problema ni.

Torej rabljen Crosscall ni drag. Nameski softwere Osmand+ je gratis (je dober za uvoze gpxa, pa za teren itd..)

 al pa si potegneš kak bolj cestni navi s pašnika, recimo Igo.

 

[Kugelschreiber]

A nima ajp carpe iter? 
 

https://carpe-iter.com/carpe-iter-pad/

raj imam 2 telefona kot enega. Ce navigiram z osebnim telefonom je 99% moznosti, da zazvoni tik pred pomembnim kriziscem. Se mi zdi da je spuzvica na prejsni strani zelo dobro opisal odlicno resitev. Ampak, vsak ma svoje kaprice. 

 

[DAMI34]

ena od rešitev (podobno kot si nabavil od mene, le bolj izpopolnjeno) men so take zadeve fajn, ker lahko vse zdrkam na founu, pa potem se lepo preslika, vsaj če prav razumem.

 

[Satao]

@DAMI34....evo sam za tebe....Diverzantske mape.....😆💪

[raza]

 

[DAMI34]

Ob 19. 1. 2023 ob 16:14, HyperJack pravi:

koliko časa misliš, da bo kamera delala? Men je na Samsungu šla leča od vibracij na Tracerki...

Poskitt po Islandiji, foun za navigacijo

[nejc74]

kolikor sem jaz bral naj bi bil problem pri telefonih, ki imajo kamere s stabilizacijo leč. Kar mislim, da so vsi novejši Applovi telefoni in del flag-ship Androidov. Ogromno telefonov čisto lepo prenese vožnjo na balanci, jaz to prakticiram ze od leta 2016 brez problemov.

[DAMI34]

Raj kupim 2x nov foun za 400€ (al pa uporabim prejčnjega, ki so mu leče crknile) kot odkartam isti denar za Garmina ali tomtom

 

ps. 2 leti nazaj sem nekaj spraševal tudi o wireles filanju...in so bili odgovori NO GO.

Z lahkoto potrdim, da moj nosilec fila ko zmešan. BP. (testirano) 15W max

[nejc74]

31 minutes ago, DAMI34 said:

Z lahkoto potrdim, da moj nosilec fila ko zmešan. BP. (testirano) 15W max

tud jaz mam enega z Ali-ja, dela tip top, MOTOWOLF Universal ....

ker nimam USBja na motorju sem iskal taksen polnilec, da je zvezan na 12V, tako da ne rabim se locenega USB pretvornika. Ok, mal sem se namatral da sem nasel zadevo iz kovine, ne pa plastike, kar je v resnici cisto estetski zadrzek. Glavno je da:

- se telefon polni

- da se ne pregreva

- da ne crkne v dezju

- da je stabilen na balanci

Zaenkrat, po eni sezoni moram rect da vse to dela. Btw, pregrevanje je po mojem bolj problem telefona kot polnilca, sem imel pred leti Huawej-a, ki ga poleti nisem mogel polnit med vožnjo zaradi pregrevanja. Zdaj sem kot pravi dinozaver nazaj na nokiah in in je bp.  Seksi telefoni z maksimalno zmogljivim procesorjem/ekranom/kamero po mojem pac niso idealni za na balanco.

[knedl]

Pozdravljeni 

Zanima me ali ima kdo kake izkušnje z navigacijo Navitel G550 MOTO.

 

[Snečer]

pred 1 uro, knedl pravi:

Pozdravljeni 

Zanima me ali ima kdo kake izkušnje z navigacijo Navitel G550 MOTO.

 

Kitajska generična moto navigacija z nalepko Navitel, ki pa ima napram drugim klonom eno posebnost.

Prodaja se pod rusko znamko Navitel, ki izdeluje tudi navi aplikacijo, ki temelji na OSM zemljevidih, tako da ima gor lasten software. Nekoč sem ga imel, ni bilo slabo, ni pa imel slo govora, sedaj je verjetno že urejeno.

Rus je firmo še registriral v EU, na Češkem, tako da je "čisto".

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Torej: ne najboljši kitajski HW (švoh ekran na soncu) in soliden SW od Navitela. Sicer uporabno, da.

Popravljeno Februar 28, 2023. Popravil Snečer