gradbenik Objavljeno Maj 3, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Maj 3, 2015 Tudi jaz jih vozim. Sicer do sedaj dobrih 1000km in tudi jaz nimam pripomb do sedaj. Kot sem že (mislim, da) omenil v neki drugi temi, so Michelin Anakee 3 made in Thailand, pa so na novih GS-ih kot pnevmatike, s katerimi pride motor v prodajo ! Snečer 1
moto rider Objavljeno Maj 4, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Maj 4, 2015 Počasi, res pa mogoče ne tako počasi, bomo v "ostalem" svetu pobirali drobtinice za Kitajci. To je najbrž napovedoval Nostradamus o rumeni rasi, pa so bili vsi prepričani, da nam s palicami proti modernemu orožju ne morejo nič. Čedalje bolj smo ekonomsko odvisni od njih. Živi bili pa videli! Imajo pač poceni delovno silo - kolikor časa jo bodo še imeli...? Kar se npr. Metzelerja tiče pa menim, da tovarna metzeler ne bi dovolila, da bi k'r neke kvazi materiale vmes mešali samo zato, da bi bile pnevmatike cenejše. Mislim, da bom osebno kar naprej še vozil omenjeno znamko... Ko bo začela brez nadzora drseti v dežju, bomo pa zamenjali s kakšno drugo konkurenco. Tako to v tržno-izkoriščevalskem gospodarstvu. motofrik 1
MiNa Objavljeno Maj 4, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Maj 4, 2015 Da ni tole pri nekaterih nekakšen "placebo" efekt. Videli "Made in China" zdej se pa ne da pelat !? PS, danes sem na zadnje kolo spet namestil E08 (slika). Tudi na "panoramski" vožnji na grobniku se je pokazala kot odlična Prva montaža so bile Tourance EXP, potem sem zvozil še en navaden komplet Tourance, sedaj pa tole. Tudi cenovno so ugodnejše od "kitajk".
Scarabeo 500 Objavljeno Maj 4, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Maj 4, 2015 Mina. Ali bi lahko podal svoje mnenje o teh treh vrstah gume? Edino Mitas nisem vozil, zanimiv profil, ali so kaj glasnejše od navadnih Metzeler? Cena pa je ugodna. Da ne bo tema faljena - nameščeno imam spradnjo gumo iz kitajske in drži kot prej nemška. Scarabeo
MiNa Objavljeno Maj 4, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Maj 4, 2015 Pojma nimam, vozim vse kar je črnega gumijastega z in brez profila, z znanim in neznanim datumom izdelave . OK malo bolj resno, čeravno je v napisanem tudi nekaj resnice. Nikoli nisem podlegel očitnim marketinškim potezam, da je samo to in to dobro vse ostalo pa zanič. Včasih, ko sem začel 35-40 let nazaj, je bila "mišelinka" pač pojem dobre gume tudi za na EMZEJA, da ne omenjam kaj več. Takrat je bilo to tudi edino kar se je dobilo preko meje. Seveda je bilo še nekaj firm (angleških) ampak prisegali smo na to. "domače" Barum itd smo pa drgnili. Na starih bokserjih sem vedno zato vozil Michelin ali pa tudi že Metzeler Laser, model gume tudi dobra za takrat, no s tako kombinacijo gum takrat tudi prvič na Grogniku. Trenutno bi postavil za moj model motorja te tri modele gum takole 1.Mitas E08, 2.Metzeler Toutance, 3.Metzeler Tourance EXP glede na oprijem, obrabo in seveda tudi cenovno takole. Naj napišem, da je to moj izbor in ga niman namen vsiljevat nikomur. Snečer in Scarabeo 500 2
Scarabeo 500 Objavljeno Maj 4, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Maj 4, 2015 Toliko o Mitas-u... UUUUUU, je..... to pa zgleda grdo. Tudi meni so navadne boljše od EXP, hvala Mina. Scarabeo
MiNa Objavljeno Maj 4, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Maj 4, 2015 (popravljeno) "Slečeno" Mitasko poznam iz interneta tako kot polomljen kardan na BMW-jih. Preberite, da vas ne strašijo samo slike. Pa še okoli glasnosti. Ja so glasnejše od Tourance, kar je glede na profil tudi logično. LP, Mirč Če kdo bere Špansko ima pa tule isto gumo še na AT forumu. Popravljeno Maj 4, 2015. Popravil MiNa
motofrik Objavljeno Maj 4, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Maj 4, 2015 Kot je že MiNa malo namignil, zna biti placebo efekt.... Sem pred leti že, ko sem kupil rabljenega Bemfla, hvalil njegovo lego in vse. Dokler nisem videl datuma na gumah... Mi ga je potem kar 'zanašalo'... Na prejšnjem ER5 sem dal zadaj Pneumant (bivša DDR), sedaj menda pod okriljem Continentala. Držala fenomenalno. Čeprav so kritizirali, da Pneumant pa že ni firma...
Scarabeo 500 Objavljeno Junij 21, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Junij 21, 2015 Sprednja kitajska že par tisoč dela enako kot prej nemška. Zadnja nemška gre proti koncu, bolj gre proti koncu slabši je občutek :yes: . Scarabeo
sayo Objavljeno Junij 21, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Junij 21, 2015 Sprednja kitajska že par tisoč dela enako kot prej nemška. Zadnja nemška gre proti koncu, bolj gre proti koncu slabši je občutek :yes: . Scarabeo Prjatu ma z kitajskimi Touranskami narejenih več kot 6.000 km in pravi da ni nobene razlike od prejšnjih nemških MiNa in Scarabeo 500 2
rkasteli Objavljeno Junij 22, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Junij 22, 2015 Mah glih najdem gume, ki mi pašejo in držijo... :glare: Z8 prve gume s katerimi sem naredil 16k, še kakšnega tisočaka iztisnem potem pa bo treba menjat. Se kdo vozi z novimi Z8?
pubimu Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 moje vprašanje.. KOLIKO so se metzeler gume pocenile zdaj ko je proizvodnja na kitajskem? 20%??? al bolj nič? ker če so selili proizvodnjo zaradi cenjše delovne sile, ceno pa isto furajo potem to glih ni win win situation.
ftp Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 moje vprašanje.. KOLIKO so se metzeler gume pocenile zdaj ko je proizvodnja na kitajskem? 20%??? al bolj nič? ker če so selili proizvodnjo zaradi cenjše delovne sile, ceno pa isto furajo potem to glih ni win win situation. Nič se niso pocenile, cena ista kot pred dvema letoma ko sem jih kupil. Kvaliteta je verjetno ista kot prej, me pa moti, da se gre vse več stvari delat na Kitajsko. Iz tega razloga sem zamenjal proizvajalca gume, čeprav sem bil z 10 kompleti Tourance zadovoljen. Sedaj imam Conti TKC 70.
rkasteli Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 ker če so selili proizvodnjo zaradi cenjše delovne sile, ceno pa isto furajo potem to glih ni win win situation. Če bodo isto kvaliteto naprej fural je za njih Selitev na Kitajsko pomojem ni bila zaradi delovne sile, ker se tudi tam standard zvišuje skupaj s plačami. Če je vse skupaj prevzel ChemChina gre prej za optimizacijo stroškov poslovanja z naslova vzdrževanja dveh tovarn, ki sta druga drugi nepotrebna konkurenca pod isto lastniško strukturo. Sam nimam nič proti kitajcem, če ne bi bilo njih se tudi zahod nebi mogel udarjati po prsih in govoriti, da je premagal krizo. Vedno pa obstaja možnost, da ko se v enačbi spremeni neka konstanta, da tudi rezultat ni več isti. To me edino moti, ker se mi ne da vsakič montirati novega proizvajalca in se potem ukvarjati s tem do kje so meje, kako je v dežju... Staram se pa len ratujem MiNa 1
Snečer Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 Pojma nimam, vozim vse kar je črnega gumijastega z in brez profila, z znanim in neznanim datumom izdelave . OK malo bolj resno, čeravno je v napisanem tudi nekaj resnice. Nikoli nisem podlegel očitnim marketinškim potezam, da je samo to in to dobro vse ostalo pa zanič. Včasih, ko sem začel 35-40 let nazaj, je bila "mišelinka" pač pojem dobre gume tudi za na EMZEJA, da ne omenjam kaj več. Takrat je bilo to tudi edino kar se je dobilo preko meje. Seveda je bilo še nekaj firm (angleških) ampak prisegali smo na to. "domače" Barum itd smo pa drgnili. Na starih bokserjih sem vedno zato vozil Michelin ali pa tudi že Metzeler Laser, model gume tudi dobra za takrat, no s tako kombinacijo gum takrat tudi prvič na Grogniku. Trenutno bi postavil za moj model motorja te tri modele gum takole 1.Mitas E08, 2.Metzeler Toutance, 3.Metzeler Tourance EXP glede na oprijem, obrabo in seveda tudi cenovno takole. Naj napišem, da je to moj izbor in ga niman namen vsiljevat nikomur. Kakšno dimenzijo pa dajaše Mitas E08 na svojo GSko? Najbrž ni standardna ali?
sayo Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 (popravljeno) Cene niso šle dol zato da imajo lahko večji dobiček P.S. Tukaj http://www.motorjet.com/gume/enduro.html dobiš komplet TOURANCE za 191 €, je kar nekaj cenejše kot drugje Popravljeno Junij 23, 2015. Popravil sayo
MiNa Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 (popravljeno) Kakšno dimenzijo pa dajaše Mitas E08 na svojo GSko? Najbrž ni standardna ali? Predpisano (standardno) 140/80-17 zadaj in 110/80-19 spredaj. Preden so se pri nas pojavile novice o kitajskih Metzeler-kah sem presedlal na Čehe in sem zadovoljen. Zvestoba do roba . Popravljeno Junij 23, 2015. Popravil MiNa kp-kp 1
Nearrain Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 Ce se ze tresete glede kitajske robe se zacnite slacit in stran metat stvari. 3/4 robe in vgradnih komponent zvenecih znamk je proizvedeno na kitajskem. BTW: Money talks, bullshit walks . . .gume so pa lepe, crne in okrogle """Pirelli Metzeler to come under Chinese ownershipTHE iconic Italian Pirelli tire brand and its German Metzeler specialist motorcycle tire subsidiary are being purchased in a complex 8 billion dollar deal by the giant China National Chemical Corp (ChemChina).ChemChina will become the majority owner of the world's fifth largest tire maker, with the 67 year old Marco Tronchetti Provera, one of Italy's best known business men, who married into the Pirelli founding family 30 years ago, staying on as Chief Executive for another 5 years.ChemChina is a state-owned Chinese chemical company whose China National Tire and Rubber Co subsidiary would initially purchase the 26 percent stake in Pirelli held by CamFin, its current largest shareholder, for $1.9 billion.The new owner, who would then seek to take over the remaining share of the 143 year old Italian company, securing control of Pirelli's intellectual property, manufacturing facilities and tire technology. With initial bridging finance being provided by a consortium of Western banks headed up by JP Morgan, CamFin, which itself is 50 percent owned by Russian oil company Rosneft - whose President, Igor Sechin, is the subject of US government sanctions due to his close associations with Russian President Vladimir Putin.Once the initial stage of the deal has passed regulatory hurdles by the summer (assuming it does), a mandatory tender offer for Pirelli's remaining share capital will be made at the same price that ChemChina is paying for CamFin's stake - representing a considerable premium over the recent average trading prices of the stock concerned.Pirelli is the sole tire supplier to Formula 1, with sales exceeding €6 billion ($6.5 billion) and a sales network that covers more than 160 countries and regions.Although Pirelli's Powersports industry tire operations are a small percentage of its overall business, the Pirelli brand is nonetheless a major player in the motorcycle tire market, not least because of its ownership of the German Metzeler brand. ChemChina, which has a strong position as an industrial tire maker in China through four active subsidiaries, including Aeolus, has long been looking for overseas acquisitions. Its planned purchase of Pirelli will help it to grow its market share in premium consumer tires.The sprawling Bejing based group has some 140,000 employees and nine listed business units whose shares trade on the Shanghai or Shenzen stock exchanges. Founded by Mr Ren Jianxin, who is known as one of China's "merger kings", ChinaChem had previously expressed interest in acquiring Ohio-based Cooper Tire and Rubber, owner of British manufacturer Avon Tyres, Metzeler's primary dominant rival for custom motorcycle tire market leadership.According to the Financial Times "Cooper Tire was subsequently at the centre of a bitter dispute between Apollo Tyres of India, which proposed paying $2.5bn for the US company, and Chengshan Group, Cooper’s former China joint venture partner. Chengshan’s opposition scuppered what would have been the biggest ever US acquisition by an Indian company." Cooper Tire recently announced that it was embarking on a $200m common stock repurchase plan.The ChinaChem-Pirelli deal has sent shockwaves around the global tire industry, and as this edition of AMD Magazine went to press, Pirelli CEO Marco Tronchetti Provera was firefighting rumours that Japanese giant Bridgestone was contemplating a rival bid. Although he is adamant that this is the right deal at the right time for Pirelli, with other opportunities having been rejected, this not expected to be the last tire industry M&I action in the coming months and years. In response to this announcement established and aspiring players alike will be seeking to make sure that they are not left behind when this new outbreak of ownership, partnership and strategic alliance realignments is concluded. """
crasher Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 Ok, da pokomentiram. Ko sem letos namestil na FJR nov kpl. z8, sem bil posebej pozoren na Made In Germany. Ampak še nobena guma kdaj prej mi ni toliko plantala kot ta zadnja. Spustit balanco med 60 in 70 kmh... Suicide. Kitajskih sicer še nisem montiral ampak... Razočaran do amena.
vandrovec Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 Sčasoma bo vse kitajsko, ne le gume, tudi motorji... :grim MiNa in skalar36 2
sayo Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 Ce se ze tresete glede kitajske robe se zacnite slacit in stran metat stvari. 3/4 robe in vgradnih komponent zvenecih znamk je proizvedeno na kitajskem. BTW: Money talks, bullshit walks . . .gume so pa lepe, crne in okrogle """ Pirelli Metzeler to come under Chinese ownership THE iconic Italian Pirelli tire brand and its German Metzeler specialist motorcycle tire subsidiary are being purchased in a complex 8 billion dollar deal by the giant China National Chemical Corp (ChemChina). ChemChina will become the majority owner of the world's fifth largest tire maker, with the 67 year old Marco Tronchetti Provera, one of Italy's best known business men, who married into the Pirelli founding family 30 years ago, staying on as Chief Executive for another 5 years. ChemChina is a state-owned Chinese chemical company whose China National Tire and Rubber Co subsidiary would initially purchase the 26 percent stake in Pirelli held by CamFin, its current largest shareholder, for $1.9 billion. The new owner, who would then seek to take over the remaining share of the 143 year old Italian company, securing control of Pirelli's intellectual property, manufacturing facilities and tire technology. With initial bridging finance being provided by a consortium of Western banks headed up by JP Morgan, CamFin, which itself is 50 percent owned by Russian oil company Rosneft - whose President, Igor Sechin, is the subject of US government sanctions due to his close associations with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Once the initial stage of the deal has passed regulatory hurdles by the summer (assuming it does), a mandatory tender offer for Pirelli's remaining share capital will be made at the same price that ChemChina is paying for CamFin's stake - representing a considerable premium over the recent average trading prices of the stock concerned. Pirelli is the sole tire supplier to Formula 1, with sales exceeding €6 billion ($6.5 billion) and a sales network that covers more than 160 countries and regions. Although Pirelli's Powersports industry tire operations are a small percentage of its overall business, the Pirelli brand is nonetheless a major player in the motorcycle tire market, not least because of its ownership of the German Metzeler brand. ChemChina, which has a strong position as an industrial tire maker in China through four active subsidiaries, including Aeolus, has long been looking for overseas acquisitions. Its planned purchase of Pirelli will help it to grow its market share in premium consumer tires. The sprawling Bejing based group has some 140,000 employees and nine listed business units whose shares trade on the Shanghai or Shenzen stock exchanges. Founded by Mr Ren Jianxin, who is known as one of China's "merger kings", ChinaChem had previously expressed interest in acquiring Ohio-based Cooper Tire and Rubber, owner of British manufacturer Avon Tyres, Metzeler's primary dominant rival for custom motorcycle tire market leadership. According to the Financial Times "Cooper Tire was subsequently at the centre of a bitter dispute between Apollo Tyres of India, which proposed paying $2.5bn for the US company, and Chengshan Group, Cooper’s former China joint venture partner. Chengshan’s opposition scuppered what would have been the biggest ever US acquisition by an Indian company." Cooper Tire recently announced that it was embarking on a $200m common stock repurchase plan. The ChinaChem-Pirelli deal has sent shockwaves around the global tire industry, and as this edition of AMD Magazine went to press, Pirelli CEO Marco Tronchetti Provera was firefighting rumours that Japanese giant Bridgestone was contemplating a rival bid. Although he is adamant that this is the right deal at the right time for Pirelli, with other opportunities having been rejected, this not expected to be the last tire industry M&I action in the coming months and years. In response to this announcement established and aspiring players alike will be seeking to make sure that they are not left behind when this new outbreak of ownership, partnership and strategic alliance realignments is concluded. """ Govori po NAŠE da te cel svet razume
Nearrain Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 Govori po NAŠE da te cel svet razume OK Jedan hladan Jelen za mene. I času molim.
thumper Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 Opozori Objavljeno Junij 23, 2015 Za Kitajsko gumo bi morala biti kitajska cena. Preveri ceno na sliki.... :grim ....da, prav vidiš. Počutim se rahlo nategnjenega :blink: Metzeler.png 2,75x17 col..to je guma za moped ala štirka in avtomatik... minimalna količina naročila je 1000 kom po 13,5$ franco china - torej brez prevoznih stroškov..brez carine in ostalih uvoznih dajatev ..potem je pa treba na gumi vsaj par evrov zaslužit in na to dodati 22% ddv .. kolk pride potem taka guma ? pod 25€ z ddv verjetno ne ...no in za ta denar se pa dobi tudi naša savina ...
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