Moto GP 2017

[Demon]

31 minutes ago, maus said:

dobra dirka .. zame je Zarco zmagovauc  

Res je, VSA ČAST Zarcotu!!!

 

[sesir]

pred 2 urami, RSTDRIVER pravi:

pa pluvejmo dalje...

 

In Jlo ima v šestih sezonah več,6 zmag več ku MM hahaha...nisem vedel,da jih ima toliko...Jenifer ojoj penzija vabi kot sam vidiš še klobase več ne osvojiš...

Rossi pa od Jlo isto 6sezon več in 50 zmag več...lol

Ka je builder kva bo povedu tvoj samoimenovani veleum?

Popravljeno September 11, 2017. Popravil sesir

[builder]

Lorenzo krepko nabil dedka, statistika Yamahe 

 

AFTER seven seasons, four world titles, dozens of wins and a shed load of dislike, distrust and mindgames, Valentino Rossi and Jorge Lorenzo will race out of the same garage for the last time.

This weekend’s Grand Prix of Valencia will mark the 119th and final time the two MotoGP greats race for the factory Yamaha squad as ‘teammates’, one last chance for each to beat the other while in Yamaha blue before Lorenzo dons Ducati red next season.

The head-to-head battles between them are the stuff of legend — for fans, anyway. Yamaha’s management have no doubt aged prematurely after dealing with turmoil between the pair; ‘the wall’ of 2010, the Sepang accusations of 2015, and even the post-Misano verbal sparring earlier this year.

The drawing of the curtains on one of MotoGP’s most tempestuous yet triumphant partnerships does beg one inevitable question.

Who did better in their years together: Rossi or Lorenzo?

It’s a debate that will rage well into the future as fans of both subjectively argue their position, but the raw numbers paint a picture that is hardly black and white.

Here is our ultimate stats breakdown of their seven years at Yamaha, from 2008-10 and 2013-16.

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Lorenzo has scored more pole positions in their time together at Yamaha.Source: Supplied

QUALIFYING

Here, at least, there is a clear winner. Lorenzo easily headed Rossi on Saturdays across their years at Yamaha.

Lorenzo beats Rossi in every major metric. He has 29 pole positions to Rossi’s 15; 88 front row starts to Rossi’s 50.

He set the tone of their relationship with three straight pole positions in the first three races of his MotoGP career in 2008, before crashing to earth. Literally. His massive highside crash in practice at Round 4 in China blunted the rest of his rookie season, but he started to gain the ascendancy in the following years.

The arrival of the quickfire Q1-Q2 format in 2013 increased Lorenzo’s advantage, suiting the Spaniard’s ability to push hard on a cold tyre while Rossi initially needed a couple of laps to find his ultimate pace.

The Doctor learnt quickly on the Michelin rubber, though. So far in 2016 he has been more than a match for Lorenzo in qualifying. Through to Valencia, they have three poles and 11 front row starts apiece, but Rossi has been the first Yamaha on the grid nine times to Lorenzo’s eight.

Pole positions
Rossi: 15
Lorenzo: 29
Rossi ahead in 09, Lorenzo ahead in 08, 10, 13, 15. Tied in 2014 (1-all), 2016 (3-all ahead of Valencia).

Front row starts
Rossi: 50
Lorenzo: 88
Rossi ahead in 08, Lorenzo ahead in 09, 10, 13, 14, 15. Tied so far in 16 (11-all so far).

First factory Yamaha on the grid
Rossi: 40
Lorenzo: 78
Rossi ahead in 08, 09, 16, Lorenzo ahead in 10, 13, 14, 15.

The podium after Catalunya in 2009. Yes, THAT race at Catalunya.Source: Supplied

RACING

This is where the line between them starts to blur.

On 59 occasions, Lorenzo has been the first factory Yamaha home; on 58 occasions, Rossi has been the first factory Yamaha past the flag.

Such a narrow margin demonstrates how the swings and roundabouts of form that each has rode have balanced out over such a long period of time.

While ‘The Doctor’ racked up the results in Lorenzo’s rookie season, the Spaniard surged ahead during Rossi’s injury-hit year of 2010 and again in 2013 when the Italian lagged behind in his return to Yamaha.

With no intentions of slowing down, Rossi split with long time chief mechanic Jeremy Burgess at the end of the 2013 season. His new partnership with Silvano Galbusera turned his form around, and it shows in the numbers.

Since 2014 he has been nearly a match for Lorenzo. That season, they tied on two wins apiece while Rossi pipped him for second in the standings. A year later they fought over the title all the way to the final round, Lorenzo getting the nod, while this year has been much like 2014.

Interestingly, Rossi has posted the fastest lap of the race more times than Lorenzo, 21-19 including a 2-1 lead this year.

But at the end of seven years, it is again Lorenzo who is ahead where it ultimately counts: in race wins.

Race wins
Rossi: 26
Lorenzo: 34
Rossi ahead in 08, 09, Lorenzo ahead in 10, 13, 15, 16 (3-2 so far). Tied in 14 (2-all).

Podiums
Rossi: 83
Lorenzo: 80
Rossi ahead in 08, 09, 14, 15, 16 (10-9 to Valencia), Lorenzo ahead 10, 13.

Top Fives
Rossi: 105
Lorenzo: 94
Rossi ahead in 08, 09, 14, 15, 16 (12-9 so far), Lorenzo ahead in 10, 13.

Top 10s
Rossi: 110
Lorenzo: 105
Rossi ahead in 08, 09, 14, 15, 16 (13-12 so far), Lorenzo ahead 10, 13.

Victory at Valencia in 2015 allowed Lorenzo to pip Rossi to the championship.Source: Supplied

DNFs
Rossi: 7
Lorenzo: 14
Rossi ahead 08, 09, 14, 15, Lorenzo ahead 13, 16 (3-4 so far). Tied in 10 (nil-all, although he missed four races through injury Rossi finished every race he started).

Fastest laps
Rossi: 21
Lorenzo: 19
Rossi ahead in 08, 09, 16 (2-1), Lorenzo ahead in 10, 13, 15. Tied in 14 (1-all).

Laps led
Rossi: 582
Lorenzo: 982
Rossi ahead in 08, 09, 16 (78-75), Lorenzo ahead in 10, 13, 14, 15.

First factory Yamaha across the line on any lap both completed
Rossi: 1236
Lorenzo: 1368
Rossi ahead in 08, 09, 14, 16 (198-113 so far), Lorenzo ahead in 10, 13, 15.

First factory Yamaha at the finish
Rossi: 58
Lorenzo: 59
Rossi ahead in 08, 09, 14, 16 (9-7 so far), Lorenzo ahead in 10, 13, 15.

Of Lorenzo’s five titles, two have come when Rossi was his Yamaha teammate.Source: Supplied

CHAMPIONSHIP

While Lorenzo’s pace has carried him to more victories across each season, Rossi’s sheer consistency in his second Yamaha spell gives him the edge at year’s end.

Both men earnt two world championships while paired with the other, but Rossi is on top on total points accrued, as well as being the first factory Yamaha man in the final standings four times to Lorenzo’s three.

First factory Yamaha in final rankings
Rossi: 4
Lorenzo: 3
Rossi ahead 08, 09, 14, 16, Lorenzo ahead 10, 13, 15.

Championship wins
Rossi: 2 (08, 09)
Lorenzo: 2 (10, 15)

Points scored
Rossi: 2005
Lorenzo: 1965

Preseason 2008. My, how young they look!Source: Supplied

ULTIMATE STATS BREAKDOWN — YEAR BY YEAR

2008
Poles: Rossi 2, Lorenzo 4
Front row: Rossi 10, Lorenzo 8
Wins: Rossi 9, Lorenzo 1
Podiums: Rossi 16, Lorenzo 6
Ranking: Rossi 1, Lorenzo 4

2009
Poles: Rossi 7, Lorenzo 5
Front row: Rossi 13, Lorenzo 16
Wins: Rossi 6, Lorenzo 4
Podiums: Rossi 13, Lorenzo 12
Ranking: Rossi 1, Lorenzo 2

2010
Poles: Rossi 1, Lorenzo 7
Front row: Rossi 4, Lorenzo 17
Wins: Rossi 2, Lorenzo 9
Podiums: Rossi 10, Lorenzo 16
Ranking: Rossi 3, Lorenzo 1

2011-2012, Rossi moves to Ducati while Lorenzo stays at Yamaha

2013, when Rossi made his return to Yamaha.Source: Supplied

2013
Poles: Rossi nil, Lorenzo 4
Front row: Rossi 4, Lorenzo 13
Wins: Rossi 1, Lorenzo 8
Podiums: Rossi 6, Lorenzo 14
Ranking: Rossi 4, Lorenzo 2

2014
Poles: Tied 1-all
Front row: Rossi 3, Lorenzo 9
Wins: Tied 2-all
Podiums: Rossi 13, Lorenzo 11
Ranking: Rossi 2, Lorenzo 3

2015
Poles: Rossi 1, Lorenzo 5
Front row: Rossi 5, Lorenzo 14
Wins: Rossi 4, Lorenzo 7
Podiums: Rossi 15, Lorenzo 12
Ranking: Rossi 2, Lorenzo 1

2016 (up to Valencia)
Poles: Tied 3-all
Front row: Tied 11-all
Wins: Rossi 2, Lorenzo 3
Podiums: Rossi 10, Lorenzo 9
Ranking: Rossi 2, Lorenzo 3

Both had circuitsSource: Supplied

ULTIMATE STATS BREAKDOWN — TRACK BY TRACK
MotoGP has visited 23 circuits across the seven seasons Rossi and Lorenzo have been at Yamaha.

In qualifying, Lorenzo has outpaced Rossi at 16 circuits to six, while Rossi is better on race day at 13 circuits to seven, the pair tied at three others.

Rossi actually turned the tables on Lorenzo at nine circuits, turning his qualifying deficit to a better result on race day, one of them his home circuit at Misano.

Neither rider managed a clean sweep of qualifying or racing at any of the circuits visited in all seven years of their Yamaha relationship.

Lorenzo came closest with a near sweep of qualifying at Jerez, up until Rossi took his first pole at the circuit in over a decade in April.

Termas de Rio Hondo, Argentina
Qualifying: Rossi 1, Lorenzo 2
Racing: Rossi 2, Lorenzo 1

Phillip Island, Australia
Qualifying: Rossi 1, Lorenzo 6
Racing: Rossi 4, Lorenzo 3

Red Bull Ring, Austria
Qualifying: Rossi nil, Lorenzo 1
Racing: Rossi nil, Lorenzo 1

Shanghai, China
Qualifying: Rossi 1, Lorenzo nil
Racing: Rossi 1, Lorenzo nil

Brno, Czech Republic
Qualifying: Rossi 2, Lorenzo 5
Racing: Rossi 3, Lorenzo 4

Le Mans, France
Qualifying: Rossi 3, Lorenzo 4
Racing: Rossi 2, Lorenzo 5

Sachsenring, Germany
Qualifying: Rossi 2, Lorenzo 4
Racing: Rossi 4, Lorenzo 2

Donington, Great Britain
Qualifying: Rossi 2, Lorenzo nil
Racing: Rossi 2, Lorenzo nil

Lorenzo leading early in MotoGP’s last visit to Donington in 2009. Rossi would go on to win.Source: Supplied

Silverstone, Great Britain
Qualifying: Rossi 1, Lorenzo 3
Racing: Tied 2-all

Mugello, Italy
Qualifying: Rossi 2, Lorenzo 4
Racing: Rossi 1, Lorenzo 5

Motegi, Japan
Qualifying: Rossi 4, Lorenzo 3
Racing: Tied 3-all

Sepang, Malaysia
Qualifying: Rossi 5, Lorenzo 2
Racing: Rossi 5, Lorenzo 2

Assen, The Netherlands
Qualifying: Rossi 5, Lorenzo 1
Racing: Rossi 4, Lorenzo 2

Estoril, Portugal
Qualifying: Rossi nil, Lorenzo 3
Racing: Rossi nil, Lorenzo 3

Losail, Qatar
Qualifying: Rossi 2, Lorenzo 5
Racing: Rossi 4, Lorenzo 3

Circuit de Catalunya, Spain
Qualifying: Rossi nil, Lorenzo 5
Racing: Rossi 3, Lorenzo 2

Rossi has never outqualified Lorenzo at Catalunya, but has beaten him on race day 3-2.Source: Supplied

Jerez, Spain
Qualifying: Rossi 1, Lorenzo 6
Racing: Rossi 4, Lorenzo 3

Motorland Aragon, Spain
Qualifying: Rossi 1, Lorenzo 4
Racing: Rossi nil, Lorenzo 5

Valencia, Spain
Qualifying: Rossi 1, Lorenzo 5
Racing: Tied 3-all

Circuit of The Americas, United States
Qualifying: Rossi nil, Lorenzo 4
Racing: Tied 2-all

Indianapolis, United States
Qualifying: Rossi 1, Lorenzo 5
Racing: Rossi 1, Lorenzo 5

Laguna Seca, United States
Qualifying: Tied 2-all
Racing: Rossi 3, Lorenzo 1

 

Popravljeno September 11, 2017. Popravil builder

[builder]

ZA MM pa sploh ne bom omenjal, ker on je grozno nabil oba 

[Miha X]

VR46 - eden najboljših dirkačev v zgodovini motociklizma. Bo moral 93, pa še kdo, še parkrat zmagat.

Popravljeno September 11, 2017. Popravil Miha X

[Nightmare]

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2017/09/11/van-der-mark-to-replace-rossi-at-aragon/239808

 

 

Lp, Samo

[bikez]

Yamaha je našla šoferja : http://www.24ur.com/sport/motogp/yamaha-potrdila-van-der-mark-bo-v-aragoniji-nadomescal-poskodovanega-rossija.html

[bikez]

pred 1 uro, Nightmare pravi:

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2017/09/11/van-der-mark-to-replace-rossi-at-aragon/239808

Lp, Samo

Dolgo so iskal. So se bal, da ne bi Ducati, še četrtega šoferja prpelu na dirko .

[Lipstick]

http://www.tuttomotoriweb.com/2017/08/30/marquez-ktm-nel-2019-red-bull-si-puo/

[Cartman]

pred 11 urami, Lipstick pravi:

http://www.tuttomotoriweb.com/2017/08/30/marquez-ktm-nel-2019-red-bull-si-puo/

Hja. Mozno. Sicer se enim odstavkom ne strinjam najbol

 

Secondo Carlo Pernat, Marc Marquez, un po’ come fece a suo tempo Valentino Rossi, potrebbe stancarsi di vincere in Honda e cambiare aria. Questo naturalmente sarebbe agevolato dal suo famoso sponsor, la Red Bull, che fa parte dei partner HRC, ma è soprattutto main sponsor di KTM.

 

vale se ni navelical zmagovat, v nos mu je slo, da se ni tocno vedlo, da je on numero uno. Posodobitve je dobil recimo Barross v gresini West? ekipi, on pa ne. Marc je nesporno st ena u repsolovi garazi in pri hrc. 

 

Verjamem, da bo tud on hotel nov izziv. Moja teorija je, da bo postal prvak z ducatijem. Da nardi kar valetu ni uspelo in verjetno tud jorgetu ne bo. 

[Demon]

9 hours ago, Cartman said:

Hja. Mozno. Sicer se enim odstavkom ne strinjam najbol

 

Secondo Carlo Pernat, Marc Marquez, un po’ come fece a suo tempo Valentino Rossi, potrebbe stancarsi di vincere in Honda e cambiare aria. Questo naturalmente sarebbe agevolato dal suo famoso sponsor, la Red Bull, che fa parte dei partner HRC, ma è soprattutto main sponsor di KTM.

 

vale se ni navelical zmagovat, v nos mu je slo, da se ni tocno vedlo, da je on numero uno. Posodobitve je dobil recimo Barross v gresini West? ekipi, on pa ne. Marc je nesporno st ena u repsolovi garazi in pri hrc. 

 

Verjamem, da bo tud on hotel nov izziv. Moja teorija je, da bo postal prvak z ducatijem. Da nardi kar valetu ni uspelo in verjetno tud jorgetu ne bo. 

Ne verjamem, da se bo v kaj tako idiotskega spustil, kot se je NAJPAMETNEJŠI Vale (ki v koliko sekundah ali minutah porihta Ducatija in z njim zmaguje...) in Lorenzo. Jaz mislim, da glede na to, kako močna je konkurenca, kako zelo konkurenčni so tudi sami motorji, je dovolj velik izziv ubraniti naslov prvaka na Hondi. Po moje mu je večji izziv zbrati deset naslovov prvaka, kot pa zmagati z Ducatijem za katerega ve, da bo trajalo, da se ga navadi...

[sesir]

pred 2 urami, Demon pravi:

Po moje mu je večji izziv zbrati deset naslovov prvaka, kot pa zmagati z Ducatijem za katerega ve, da bo trajalo, da se ga navadi...

Po moje pa to lahko MM uspe le z ducatijem pa se to ne, VR je le en

Popravljeno September 15, 2017. Popravil sesir

[Demon]

6 minutes ago, sesir said:

VR je le en

Hahahaha, tako kot je MM samo en in edini!

[KennyJR]

pred 13 urami, Cartman pravi:

Hja. Mozno. Sicer se enim odstavkom ne strinjam najbol

 

Secondo Carlo Pernat, Marc Marquez, un po’ come fece a suo tempo Valentino Rossi, potrebbe stancarsi di vincere in Honda e cambiare aria. Questo naturalmente sarebbe agevolato dal suo famoso sponsor, la Red Bull, che fa parte dei partner HRC, ma è soprattutto main sponsor di KTM.

 

vale se ni navelical zmagovat, v nos mu je slo, da se ni tocno vedlo, da je on numero uno. Posodobitve je dobil recimo Barross v gresini West? ekipi, on pa ne. Marc je nesporno st ena u repsolovi garazi in pri hrc. 

 

Verjamem, da bo tud on hotel nov izziv. Moja teorija je, da bo postal prvak z ducatijem. Da nardi kar valetu ni uspelo in verjetno tud jorgetu ne bo. 

Pons West 

[sesir]

[KennyJR]

To bi bilo brezveze... Za naslov se ne bori več, ker je premalo do konca in ker je preveč tekmecev, tudi če dva zajebeta bo eden še vedno spredaj. Aragon mu nikoli ni šel. Zakaj tvegati celo sezono ali celo preostanek kariere za eno dirko, kjer bi bil 100% zdrav verjetno nekje 4. ali 5. glede na dosedanja leta? 

[thumper]

mogoče zato , ker je borec..

[Ciko86]

Pa sej lansko leto mu ni slo tako slabo v aragonu ,samo je imel takrat pedrosa svoj dan...

[KennyJR]

pred 3 urami, Ciko86 pravi:

Pa sej lansko leto mu ni slo tako slabo v aragonu ,samo je imel takrat pedrosa svoj dan...

Pedrosa je imel svoj dan, ker je bil 6.? Kaj si pa ti pojedel? Lani je zmagal Marquez, Rossi je zajebal v boju z Lorenzom za 2. mesto... Ponavadi sta bili obe Hondi in ena Yamaha močnejša od Rossija tu... Sedaj sta tu še dva Ducatija. Ker je poškodovan bi se realno gledano vozil nekje na 7.-8. mestu, kjer je polno enih balinarjev in kegljačev... Zakaj bi tvegal po nepotrebnem, naj se pozdravi... 

pred 3 urami, thumper pravi:

mogoče zato , ker je borec..

Temu bi se prej reklo debil... Rossi pa to ni in ga v Aragon ne bo... 

[Nightmare]

Rossi bo samo testiral kot je že napisano na enem od R modelov vsekakor pa ne bo vozil v dirki.

 

 

Lp, Samo

[DAMI34]

zakaj, zaradi nas gledalcev, zato da vidimo kako prehitevanje, le par dirkačev je odpičenih, ki gredo res dirkat, drugi se vozijo bolj ali manj v krogih in nočejo tvegat.

[jvalant]

5 minutes ago, DAMI34 said:

zakaj, zaradi nas gledalcev, zato da vidimo kako prehitevanje, le par dirkačev je odpičenih, ki gredo res dirkat, drugi se vozijo bolj ali manj v krogih in nočejo tvegat.

 Dej nehi no...   zadej je verjetno vec prehitevanj, so fantje precej borijo, edin kamera samo taprve kaze, pa tud ce se celo dirko v koloni vozijo. Vsak ki verjame da so  zadnjih deset, petnajs fantov samo za stevilo,  se moti.

[DAMI34]

pred 10 minutami, jvalant pravi:

 Dej nehi no...   zadej je verjetno vec prehitevanj, so fantje precej borijo, edin kamera samo taprve kaze, pa tud ce se celo dirko v koloni vozijo. Vsak ki verjame da so  zadnjih deset, petnajs fantov samo za stevilo,  se moti.

maš prav, mislil sem na ospredje, kejr so 3-4 face...

[payback]

Ob 14. 9. 2017 ob 21:14, Cartman pravi:

Hja. Mozno. Sicer se enim odstavkom ne strinjam najbol

 

Secondo Carlo Pernat, Marc Marquez, un po’ come fece a suo tempo Valentino Rossi, potrebbe stancarsi di vincere in Honda e cambiare aria. Questo naturalmente sarebbe agevolato dal suo famoso sponsor, la Red Bull, che fa parte dei partner HRC, ma è soprattutto main sponsor di KTM.

 

vale se ni navelical zmagovat, v nos mu je slo, da se ni tocno vedlo, da je on numero uno. Posodobitve je dobil recimo Barross v gresini West? ekipi, on pa ne. Marc je nesporno st ena u repsolovi garazi in pri hrc. 

 

Verjamem, da bo tud on hotel nov izziv. Moja teorija je, da bo postal prvak z ducatijem. Da nardi kar valetu ni uspelo in verjetno tud jorgetu ne bo. 

jaz pa po moji teoriji mislim ce ze bo kdaj MM menju motor bi si upo trdit da bo sou  prej na KTM kot pa na DUCATI, zakaj? pomoje zato ker je redbul ze od negdaj njegov sponzor

[Demon]

12 hours ago, payback said:

jaz pa po moji teoriji mislim ce ze bo kdaj MM menju motor bi si upo trdit da bo sou  prej na KTM kot pa na DUCATI, zakaj? pomoje zato ker je redbul ze od negdaj njegov sponzor

A ti res misliš, da bi VRHUNSKI voznik, PRVAK šel iz VRHUNSKEGA in konkurenčnega motorja vozit drugorazredno in popolnoma nekonkurenčno šajtrgo zaradi enega samcatega sponzorja???