Navigacije na motorju (izkušnje, težave...)

[zundapp]

že že, ampak če hočem po moje naj bo po moje...

ampak ne da?

[Scarabeo 500]

pred 2 minutami, zundapp pravi:

že že, ampak če hočem po moje naj bo po moje...

ampak ne da?

Včasih je težko uveljavljati svojo voljo.  A delaš na napravi in kaj imaš odkljukano?

[zundapp]

meni- izračun poti:

nič, edino garmin Adventourous routing, kar se sploh ne da , da nebi bilo nič obkljukano, kar koli drugega daš je isto

Ja, planiram direkt na napravi

Popravljeno September 27, 2021. Popravil zundapp

[Scarabeo 500]

Recimo izračun relacije. Celje, Vransko, Kamnik, Ljubljana.

Rad bi šel po stari cesti. Moraš imeti izogibanja avtocesta. Potem te bo navigacija peljala po stari cesti. Ker zaviješ za Kamnik daš vmesno točko nekje na sredini Tuhinjske doline, lahko tudi Kamnik. 

Od Kamnika do Ljubljane je toliko cest, da je grdo in ti bo ponudilo pač eno, zagotovo pa ne avtocesto, ker imaš izključeno. Problem je relacija Kamnik - Ljubljana - polno cest. Ali prepustiš navigaciji, da se odloči namesto tebe ali pa nastaviš več vmesnih točk.

V navigaciji izberi opcijo krajši čas - poskusi na suho in javi kam te je peljala. 

[raza]

Zumo 595 pozna dve vrsti točk. Ene so oblikovne, s temi difiniraš po kateri poti se boš peljal in so pri risanju poti vidne kot pike na poti in jih je lahko veliko, ker ne vplivajo na to, da bi te obračale. Druge so vmesni cilji (teh je omejeno število, mislim da 29), ki so na ruti vidne kot zastavice in te je treba obvezno prevozit, ker drugače te obrača. Zumo ima dodano funlcijo sprememba poti in v podmeniju funkcijo "preskoči točko poti". S tem se izogneš obračanju, če točke ne prevoziš. Se pa po tej operaciji pot ponovno preračuna. Tu pa spet lahko nastane težava, če ni dovolj oblikovnih točk in do prve te točke lahko nariše pot po svojih normativih.

Osebno se izogibam direktnega uvoza GPXov, če jih prej ne preverim v BaseCampu in tam obvezno izvedem preračun. Vedno pride do odstopanj, ki jih je potrebno popraviti, če se dejansko hočeš peljati po željeni poti.

Osnova pa je v nastavitvah. Zumo in BaseCamp morata imeti identične nastavitve. Zumo vedno izračuna pot po lastnem algoritmu in  nastavitvah. Program prenese v napravo dejansko samo začetno točko, oblikovne točke, vmesne cilje in cilj.

Nasvet. Ko ustvarjaš pot nariši na vsako cesto med križišči vsaj eno oblikovno točko. Tako se boš sigurno peljal po označeni cesti. 

To kar sem napisal, je pri načrtovanju direkt na napravi zelo težko, sploh, če je pot daljša. Se pa da. Takih načrtovanj se poslužujem samo v skrajni sili, ko mi je vseeno kje se peljem, samo, da pridem na cilj.

Popravljeno September 27, 2021. Popravil raza

[firbec]

Pozdravljeni, imam vprašanje, mogoče je že kdo izpostavil ta problem, pa vseeno, kdo bi mi lahko in najceneje vstavil karto države Maroko (severna Afrika), na originalni BMW Motorrad Navigator VI ? Imam aplikacijo Garmin Expres, vendar ne znam poiskati karte. Hvala.

[raza]

Tu ali tu si poiščeš ustrezno mapo, jo downloadaš, skopiraš na SD in vstaviš v navigator. Ko boš v Maroku izlopiš EU karte in odkljukaš Maroko. 

V kratkem in zastonj.

Če maš pa pota na Gorenjsko pa povej, pa zrihtava! Več na ZS.

Popravljeno November 9, 2021. Popravil raza

[raza]

Da ne bo težav še img, ki se kopira na sd v mapo MAP

otm-morocco.img

[Bostjan L]

Male zimske predelave

Garminu Drivesmart sem dodal malo kljukico, da bolj varno pripet na motorju.

Poigral sem se z vrtalnikom in navadno vezico.

 

[SAR-Solo Adventure rider]

Bravo. Jaz sem nalepil kos plastike, da lahko zataknem kabel. Občasno mi je izgubil kontakt. Sedaj je mir. Očitno sva pravilno rešila zadevo. ?

[raza]

Če napajate Garmine preko USB konektorja in izgublja kontakt, je to prvi pokazatelj, da se nekaj dogaja s konektorjem v napravi. Sprva pomaga, da malo "našponamo" kabel, pa običajno to ni za dolgo, kajti konektor se počasi vsled vibracij "trga" z matične plošče in sleko prej bo kontakt dokončno izgubil. Rezultat - težko popravljiva škoda, ker običajno potrga bakreno naparino povezav od pertinaksa.

Zato svetujem, da če že napajate napravo na motorju preko USBja, da odprete napravo in dodatno ojačate pritrditev konektorja. Najbolje je uporabiti nekoliko gostejše dvokomponetno lepilo s katerim oblijete konektor z zunanje strani. Lahko tudi čez kontakte, ki so spajkani na vezje. Pomembno je, da je lepilo res gosto, da ne steče v notranjost. Če recimo, uporabite 5 min. epoksi, ko ga zmešate, počakajte pred nanosom 2-3 minute, da malo prične želirat in ga potem nanesite. 

[Loba]

A mi zna kdo pomagat? Po posodobitvi Garmina XT na displeju ne vidim več mape. V zemljevidih imam željeno mapo potrjeno (odkljukano), ko nastavim željeni cilj mi ga izračuna, celo po korakih je viden v meniju "pred vami" ampak karte ne vidim, prazen displej samo, ampak vodič pa dela (torej izračun poti). 

[raza]

Na XTju je v Moji zemljevidi treba imeti odkljukanih kar nekaj alinej, od tega vsaj:

-All North, -ALL South, -E DEM, po želji pa še vse TOPO in Foursquare

Pri prenosu je verjetno prišlo do napake, zato :

Za začetek lahko daš v GarminExpressu ponovno namestitev zemljevidov in vidiš, če bo kaj uspeha.

Če ne, korak 2

Omogoči si dostop do Sistena(upam , da obvladaš, Google), potem ročno izbriši vse kar se zemljevidov tiče, nato pa GarminEkspres in Ponovno namesti zemljevide. (Da 100% naloži nove fajle, ne le preveri, če obstajajo)

Če še ne gre uverjavi garancijo! Verjetno še ni poteklo 2 leti od nakupa?

Popravljeno Februar 5, 2022. Popravil raza

[Loba]

Hvala, probam in javim če je šlo.

[raza]

Šel malo počekirat po forumih in naletel na isti problem....

Nisi osamljen!

 

Popravljeno Februar 5, 2022. Popravil raza

[Loba]

Sd kartico sem odklopil in sedaj dela, na SD-ju imam off road mape in ostale shranjene rute. Ampak ko vstavim nazaj SD mi spet ne dela. ?

 

[raza]

 

pred 7 minutami, Loba pravi:

Sd kartico sem odklopil in sedaj dela, na SD-ju imam off road mape in ostale shranjene rute. Ampak ko vstavim nazaj SD mi spet ne dela. ?

 

Ja tudi o tem poročajo, da delajo težave SD večjih kapacitet. Rešitev formatiranje kartice s pomočjo naprave in nato podatke nazaj na kartico. In baje potem deluje. Nisem preverjal.

Baje ni vsak format OK. FAT32 naj bi bil, kar pa kartice večjih kapacitet niso.

Popravljeno Februar 5, 2022. Popravil raza

[MiNa]

@Loba pri nadgradnji s programom Garmin Express se vedno držim pravila, da nadgrajujem po korakih. V primeru, da program ponudi več kot eno posodobitev, posodabljam eno po eno.

Pa še to na računalniku, ki je v omrežje povezan s kablom ne WiFi. Pri kolegu prejšnji teden, sva na prenosniku 2x neuspešno nadgrajevala njegov Zumo 346. Po priklopi prenosnika na mrežni kabel je nadgradnja stekla BP.

Kartice velikosti do 32Gb formatirane Fat32 mi do sedaj niso delale problemov. Po nakupu jih vedno (čeprav so že formatirane) formatiram v računalniku v reži za SD karice, nameščene v adapterju za uSD kartice, ki je povavadi priložen ob nakupu kartice.

[Quest]

pred 1 uro, MiNa pravi:

Pa še to na računalniku, ki je v omrežje povezan s kablom ne WiFi.

Pa dober kabel mora biti. Kar nekaj problemov sem si nakopal zaradi slabe povezave prek kabla.

[raza]

pred 2 urami, Quest pravi:

Pa dober kabel mora biti. Kar nekaj problemov sem si nakopal zaradi slabe povezave prek kabla.

Tu si verjetno mislil na USB kabel od PC do Garmina, ker ti kabli znajo "srat"....Mehki kontakti na konektorjih. In ob morebitnem premikanju naprave se zna zgoditi, da gre kak bit v prazno

Popravljeno Februar 6, 2022. Popravil raza

[Quest]

pred 13 minutami, raza pravi:

Tu si verjetno mislil na USB kabel od PC do Garmina, ker ti kabli znajo "srat".

Ja PC do Garmina. Pač vzel tistega ki paše. Pa ne gra update. Sina računalničarja vprašam v prvo kolk dolg kabel imaš in kakšen je. Vrž stran in uporabi čim krajšega in kvalitetnega. Original vzamem en ped dolgega in vedno OK.

[spuzvica]

Po 13000km Spanije in Portugalske, pretezno TETa, sem spisal en review mojega setupa, s katerim sem zadovoljen in ne bi prakticno nic menjal. Morda komu pride prav pri odlocitvah. Upam da ne moti, da je v anglescini, ker sem spisal se za par drugih namenov.

I have used various means of navigating with my motorbikes but most have been aimed at adventure & offroad riding. To put it into perspective, it means lots of TET and occasional road navigation to get from A to B in an unknown city.

Here is how I progressed through various devices:

• It started with a basic Garmin Zumo on my old Africa Twin. I liked the Zumo, it was always powered, never ran out of battery, handled the rain and the vibrations and was clearly visible in the sunlight. What I hated was: really slow, just one type of map on it, needed a laptop to upload anything to it. I know there are newer devices mitigating most of just listed niggles but for the time being I am not going back to this type of device which I shall explain in a bit.
• Having moved from the Africa to the AJP PR7, the PR7 came with a Samsung Active tablet already mounted on it. While the tablet is now a flexible Android device with a larger screen, I had too many issues with it to really go back: charging would stop working, small droplets (not heavy rain) made it unusable as it went crazy, it was also quite slow and one could not take it out of the mount easily to take it with me to configure it for next day's riding.
• Having sold the PR7 for giving me a bunch of problems overall, I moved to Tenere 700 and did not want to spend lots of money on navigation anymore. So I mounted a Sony Xperia phone which took me through a recent 13000km ride of TET Spain and Portugal and I was very happy with it.

Here is the hardware set up:

• Phone: Sony Xperia Z3 Compact. It's my old personal phone so it did not cost me anything but it is quite old and outdated by today's standards but updates are still available for all the Google Play apps. However, it is IP68 water/dust resistant and it survived the trip. I had a spare Samsung Galaxy S8 with me that a friend gave me but I did not use it. Additionally, I had my main personal phone that I could use for navigation if both failed.
• Phone mount: Ram Mounts Quick-Grip Phone Holder (27EUR), see photo. I have tried other holders but really like this one for the following reasons:
  • It's flexible and can be adjusted to carry any average size phone (it cannot hold some really large ones I think).
  • Having done lots of pretty hard offroad the phone never budged. It stayed safely in place at all times.
  • It's easy and quick to put the phone in or take it out when leaving the bike unattended.
  • It's light. I have bought another steel holder with a lock but that thing weighs 600g which is just too heavy to put so high up on that tiny bar.
  • It mounts to any AMPS-compatible adapter (I am using the rally raid adapter https://www.rally-raidproducts.co.uk/yamaha-t7-tenere/gps-multi-mount ).
• Charging cable: The importance of high quality cables is often overlooked. I used the following one: https://titanpowerplus.com/pages/titancable It's rugged and uses a 90degree charging plug design which handles lots of vibrations well. I used the short 0.5m one that costs 15EUR. I also had a spare with me I did not need.
• Remote control: Home made solution using cheap waterproof buttons and some resistors wired up to a standard headset plug of the Sony Xperia. This allows me to zoom in/zoom out the map without taking my hand off the handlebars. Worked wonderfully! You can read more about it here: https://www.tenere700.net/topic/2745-handlebar-controller-for-zoom-inout-trip-computer-switch/
• Good quality USB charger. I had two on the bike, a permanent waterproof one I bought online and a standard 12V socket one.

From a HW perspective, I find this setup great for the following reasons:

• It's cheap.
• It's light.
• If I fall off the bike, my personal phone is still on me in case an emergency call is needed. I also carried a Garmin Inreach. The Garmin device broke after 2 days and I could not get it fixed until the end of the trip which is an additional reason I am not going back to Garmin. Not because of the poor Garmin quality but because this can happen and having an extra Garmin would be too expensive.
• Using your personal phone as navigation is a bad idea. Vibrations can easily kill phones so getting stuck without navigation and a phone connection in the middle of nowhere would really suck.
• I can take the phone out easily overnight or when going for coffee and doing route adjustments.
• And what is most important, it's a redundant setup using widely available parts. I had a spare phone (Samsung Galaxy S8) already preconfigured with the same setup as my Sony Xperia and could quickly replace it in my RAM mount if the Sony died. If the second one dies, I can walk into any store and buy another cheap Android phone, the RAM mount is flexible enough to support any average size phone. I also had two USB chargers on the bike, one permanent and one 12V socket one. When doing long travels off-road, redundancy is king.

Now, let's move to the software side. 

• Let's start with the base app/launcher. As a base android home launcher, I use the Drive Mode Dashboard (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.thorkracing.dmd2launcher ). It came with the AJP PR7 tablet, I really liked it and it can be installed on any Android device.
• As a main navigation app I have now been using OsmAnd+ for years but did start out by trying a few different apps. It does a lot of things really well:
  • It's free (but I am so happy with it that I use a paid version now just to make sure the authors get a bit of credit)
  • It allows you to have as many offline maps installed as the phone memory allows you to. Besides the standard maps I also have Contour Lines installed which allows me to find my way out of a pickle when offroading. Or even better, make sure I don't get into one I cannot get out of. Quite important when you are riding solo offroad.
  • It records tracks.
  • It works with my external zoom-in/zoom-out buttons.
  • Customizable screen so you can pick what is displayed at all times (speed, elevation, distance to next marker, etc)
  • Can display multiple GPX tracks in different colours which comes handy when doing day-trips and having multiple options in the same area that I can then combine into a daily route.
• Track repository app: Google Drive. I have all the GPXs stored on my google drive. When I need to download another GPX to the phone, I simply share my phone's connection as WIFI or if I am at home I am already connected to WIFI in the garage. Same goes with recorded tracks, they get stored to the Google Drive which means I can view them, edit them or share them on my laptop.
• For on road adventures, I find the Kurviger app (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gr.talent.kurviger&hl=en&gl=US ) really good as it allows you to plan a trip through unknown twisty roads anywhere. It has a mobile app you can use on the fly or a desktop one for planning ahead.
• For turn-by-turn, Google Maps is still the best but I need to share the connection on my phone for it to work. OsmAnd+ turn-by-turn fails too often.

Hopefully this can come handy to others struggling to decide on their setup.

Popravljeno Julij 24, 2022. Popravil spuzvica

[Kugelschreiber]

15 hours ago, spuzvica said:

Po 13000km Spanije in Portugalske, pretezno TETa, sem spisal en review mojega setupa, s katerim sem zadovoljen in ne bi prakticno nic menjal. Morda komu pride prav pri odlocitvah. Upam da ne moti, da je v anglescini, ker sem spisal se za par drugih namenov.

I have used various means of navigating with my motorbikes but most have been aimed at adventure & offroad riding. To put it into perspective, it means lots of TET and occasional road navigation to get from A to B in an unknown city.

Here is how I progressed through various devices:

• It started with a basic Garmin Zumo on my old Africa Twin. I liked the Zumo, it was always powered, never ran out of battery, handled the rain and the vibrations and was clearly visible in the sunlight. What I hated was: really slow, just one type of map on it, needed a laptop to upload anything to it. I know there are newer devices mitigating most of just listed niggles but for the time being I am not going back to this type of device which I shall explain in a bit.
• Having moved from the Africa to the AJP PR7, the PR7 came with a Samsung Active tablet already mounted on it. While the tablet is now a flexible Android device with a larger screen, I had too many issues with it to really go back: charging would stop working, small droplets (not heavy rain) made it unusable as it went crazy, it was also quite slow and one could not take it out of the mount easily to take it with me to configure it for next day's riding.
• Having sold the PR7 for giving me a bunch of problems overall, I moved to Tenere 700 and did not want to spend lots of money on navigation anymore. So I mounted a Sony Xperia phone which took me through a recent 13000km ride of TET Spain and Portugal and I was very happy with it.

Here is the hardware set up:

• Phone: Sony Xperia Z3 Compact. It's my old personal phone so it did not cost me anything but it is quite old and outdated by today's standards but updates are still available for all the Google Play apps. However, it is IP68 water/dust resistant and it survived the trip. I had a spare Samsung Galaxy S8 with me that a friend gave me but I did not use it. Additionally, I had my main personal phone that I could use for navigation if both failed.
• Phone mount: Ram Mounts Quick-Grip Phone Holder (27EUR), see photo. I have tried other holders but really like this one for the following reasons:
  • It's flexible and can be adjusted to carry any average size phone (it cannot hold some really large ones I think).
  • Having done lots of pretty hard offroad the phone never budged. It stayed safely in place at all times.
  • It's easy and quick to put the phone in or take it out when leaving the bike unattended.
  • It's light. I have bought another steel holder with a lock but that thing weighs 600g which is just too heavy to put so high up on that tiny bar.
  • It mounts to any AMPS-compatible adapter (I am using the rally raid adapter https://www.rally-raidproducts.co.uk/yamaha-t7-tenere/gps-multi-mount ).
• Charging cable: The importance of high quality cables is often overlooked. I used the following one: https://titanpowerplus.com/pages/titancable It's rugged and uses a 90degree charging plug design which handles lots of vibrations well. I used the short 0.5m one that costs 15EUR. I also had a spare with me I did not need.
• Remote control: Home made solution using cheap waterproof buttons and some resistors wired up to a standard headset plug of the Sony Xperia. This allows me to zoom in/zoom out the map without taking my hand off the handlebars. Worked wonderfully! You can read more about it here: https://www.tenere700.net/topic/2745-handlebar-controller-for-zoom-inout-trip-computer-switch/
• Good quality USB charger. I had two on the bike, a permanent waterproof one I bought online and a standard 12V socket one.

From a HW perspective, I find this setup great for the following reasons:

• It's cheap.
• It's light.
• If I fall off the bike, my personal phone is still on me in case an emergency call is needed. I also carried a Garmin Inreach. The Garmin device broke after 2 days and I could not get it fixed until the end of the trip which is an additional reason I am not going back to Garmin. Not because of the poor Garmin quality but because this can happen and having an extra Garmin would be too expensive.
• Using your personal phone as navigation is a bad idea. Vibrations can easily kill phones so getting stuck without navigation and a phone connection in the middle of nowhere would really suck.
• I can take the phone out easily overnight or when going for coffee and doing route adjustments.
• And what is most important, it's a redundant setup using widely available parts. I had a spare phone (Samsung Galaxy S8) already preconfigured with the same setup as my Sony Xperia and could quickly replace it in my RAM mount if the Sony died. If the second one dies, I can walk into any store and buy another cheap Android phone, the RAM mount is flexible enough to support any average size phone. I also had two USB chargers on the bike, one permanent and one 12V socket one. When doing long travels off-road, redundancy is king.

Now, let's move to the software side. 

• Let's start with the base app/launcher. As a base android home launcher, I use the Drive Mode Dashboard (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.thorkracing.dmd2launcher ). It came with the AJP PR7 tablet, I really liked it and it can be installed on any Android device.
• As a main navigation app I have now been using OsmAnd+ for years but did start out by trying a few different apps. It does a lot of things really well:
  • It's free (but I am so happy with it that I use a paid version now just to make sure the authors get a bit of credit)
  • It allows you to have as many offline maps installed as the phone memory allows you to. Besides the standard maps I also have Contour Lines installed which allows me to find my way out of a pickle when offroading. Or even better, make sure I don't get into one I cannot get out of. Quite important when you are riding solo offroad.
  • It records tracks.
  • It works with my external zoom-in/zoom-out buttons.
  • Customizable screen so you can pick what is displayed at all times (speed, elevation, distance to next marker, etc)
  • Can display multiple GPX tracks in different colours which comes handy when doing day-trips and having multiple options in the same area that I can then combine into a daily route.
• Track repository app: Google Drive. I have all the GPXs stored on my google drive. When I need to download another GPX to the phone, I simply share my phone's connection as WIFI or if I am at home I am already connected to WIFI in the garage. Same goes with recorded tracks, they get stored to the Google Drive which means I can view them, edit them or share them on my laptop.
• For on road adventures, I find the Kurviger app (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gr.talent.kurviger&hl=en&gl=US ) really good as it allows you to plan a trip through unknown twisty roads anywhere. It has a mobile app you can use on the fly or a desktop one for planning ahead.
• For turn-by-turn, Google Maps is still the best but I need to share the connection on my phone for it to work. OsmAnd+ turn-by-turn fails too often.

Hopefully this can come handy to others struggling to decide on their setup.

berem na FB....in si mislim, AJP očitno pogosto heca svoje lastnike, en z MS je tud mel težavice z njim.....  

[spuzvica]

Pravkar, Kugelschreiber pravi:

berem na FB....in si mislim, AJP očitno pogosto heca svoje lastnike, en z MS je tud mel težavice z njim.....  

hehe, res je

[mladench]

tak set-up imam v mislih... ampak... a se da tale Billet Multi-Mount for 12mm (1/2") Crossbar - RRP 643 (rally-raidproducts.co.uk) dobiti kje v EU? je našel kdo kaj podobnega? obračam gugla pa mi tale billet še najlepš