covid-19 KORONA virus

[Snečer]

pred 10 minutami, izibajker pravi:

Lepo te prosim BIF, pa kje ti najdevaš vse te expertne ekonomske analize? Da nisi malo pomešal teh 69% s pozicijo 69, ki bi bila dobrodošla v kaki drugi temi...

Omenjena sosednja država (ki ti gre tako očitno na jetra) je četrt stoletja nazaj doživela 4 leta vojne kalvarije. In preživela. In zdaj naj bi brez sredstev za preživetje ostala že kar po 2 mesecih? Pravljice za lahko noč in dobro jutro.

ribe lahko lovijo  

[maus]

kmalu bodo začele realne številke vn padat  ... 

https://www.24ur.com/novice/korona/na-hrvaskem-vec-kot-120-novih-okuzb-najvec-v-splitsko-dalmatinski-zupaniji.html

[Snečer]

pred 4 minutami, maus pravi:

kmalu bodo začele realne številke vn padat  ... 

https://www.24ur.com/novice/korona/na-hrvaskem-vec-kot-120-novih-okuzb-najvec-v-splitsko-dalmatinski-zupaniji.html

zdaj, ko bo karantena, ni več treba skrivat

prištej še tem cifram packe, ki so se tam okužili

[maus]

pred 1 minuto, Snečer pravi:

zdaj, ko bo karantena, ni več treba skrivat

prištej še tem cifram packe, ki so se tam okužili

miljoni stari, miljoni  

[BIF]

pred 1 uro, izibajker pravi:

Lepo te prosim BIF, pa kje ti najdevaš vse te expertne ekonomske analize? Da nisi malo pomešal teh 69% s pozicijo 69, ki bi bila dobrodošla v kaki drugi temi...

Omenjena sosednja država (ki ti gre tako očitno na jetra) je četrt stoletja nazaj doživela 4 leta vojne kalvarije. In preživela. In zdaj naj bi brez sredstev za preživetje ostala že kar po 2 mesecih? Pravljice za lahko noč in dobro jutro.

...spet na pamet klamfaš....

In ne govorim o državi hrvaški, da ne bi preživela dva meseca temveč o 70% državljanov hrvaške....

https://dubrovacki.slobodnadalmacija.hr/dubrovnik/vijesti/hrvatska-i-svijet/hrvati-pred-ponorom-siromastva-cak-70-posto-gradana-nema-dovoljno-novca-na-racunu-da-bi-u-slucaju-ostanka-bez-posla-mogli-prezivjeti-dva-mjeseca-1037678

[BIF]

pred 3 urami, DAMI34 pravi:

oziroma iz čigavega žepa.

...iz mojega kolega mojega....Jaz delam ves čas....korona gor ali dol. Jaz in še veliko drugih dela, da se bodo poravnali stroški zdravljenja tistih, ki si hodijo jajca namakat k hrvatom....ker eno leto brez slane vode pač ne gre....

[kaizer]

Študija Švicarskih zdravnikov:

 

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

[BIF]

pred 3 urami, DAMI34 pravi:

 

Si negiral kaka dejstva v zapisu?

....sem napisal....cmerav sestavek, ki ne opisuje nič drugega kot Švedski model z poraznimi rezultati.

.....samopromotor.....

Popravljeno Avgust 18, 2020. Popravil BIF

[DAMI34]

pred 31 minutami, BIF pravi:

...iz mojega kolega mojega....Jaz delam ves čas....korona gor ali dol. Jaz in še veliko drugih dela, da se bodo poravnali stroški zdravljenja tistih, ki si hodijo jajca namakat k hrvatom....ker eno leto brez slane vode pač ne gre....

in iz mojega, da bodo vsi lah vaučarje dobil, pa u Zrče hodili..

pred 53 minutami, maus pravi:

kmalu bodo začele realne številke vn padat  ... 

https://www.24ur.com/novice/korona/na-hrvaskem-vec-kot-120-novih-okuzb-najvec-v-splitsko-dalmatinski-zupaniji.html

zgleda da so bli u Zrčah

 

pred 26 minutami, BIF pravi:

....sem napisal....cmerav sestavek, ki ne opisuje nič drugega kot Švedski model z poraznimi rezultati.

.....samopromotor.....

ker gledaš avtorja, ne pa vsebino.

bdw prejšnji teden sem Češko predrajsal 2x gor in dol. Turistični kraji vsi nabiti, še za spat se težko dobi, maske..kaj so to maske? Nihče ne nosi, AU pa nič bolje.

ps. Švedi imajo manj mrtvih na miljon kot Italija ali UK. Prav tako so slabši v Španiji in Belgiji, kljub vsem ukrepom.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR28EMeM_mr-yN-bWEO-KCBDsuTpbxLZZ7nUJ-WjuVWYujkLomUbu-nCzxw#countries

[DAMI34]

kole, da boste zdravi.  aplikacija za obveščanje o okužbah z novim koronavirusom

 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=si.gov.ostanizdrav

[Snečer]

Citiraj

"Največ vnosa je iz Hrvaške – otok Pag, Vodice, Biograd na Moru, Makarska," je naštel vladni govorec Jelko Kacin. Med v ponedeljek potrjenimi okužbami jih je dvanajst prišlo iz Hrvaške, dva iz Avstrije, dva iz BiH-a, potem sledita Kosovo in Španija. "Največji delež, kar 43 od skupaj 108 importiranih okužb, pripada starostni skupini od 15 do 24 let starosti. Naslednji sklop od 25 do 34 let pa močno poveča delež. Njun skupni delež je večji od 2/3, saj ti skupini prispevata kar 67 odstotkov vseh okuženih," je izpostavil. Veliko okuženih po njegovih besedah prihaja predvsem z območja otoka Paga s plaže Zrće, kjer so znani nočni klubi.

"Ugotavljamo, da zlasti okuženi na zabavah v tujini nočejo razkriti drugih udeležencev svojega nespametnega početja oz. dogodkov, na katerih so bili. Zato domnevamo, da se nam precej okuženih izogne. Ne zaznamo jih, zato virus širijo med svojci, prijatelji, znanci in sodelavci," je opozoril Kacin in opozoril, da je epidemiološka služba na robu zmogljivosti. "Potrebuje ne le razumevanja, temveč tudi kadrovske okrepitve in sodelovanje vseh nas," je dejal.

po 15.09. pa bomo lahko spet dalje jajca namakali  

[Alla]

pred 2 urami, kaizer pravi:

Študija Švicarskih zdravnikov:

 

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

Škoda da tega večina ne bo niti preletela, kaj šele da bi prebrali ali pogledali kakšen graf. 

Očitno jih je raje še naprej strah in raje kritizirajo vse, ki ne verjamejo celi paniki okoli "strašnega covida" 

[Snečer]

Pravkar, Alla pravi:

Škoda da tega večina ne bo niti preletela, kaj šele da bi prebrali ali pogledali kakšen graf. 

Očitno jih je raje še naprej strah in raje kritizirajo vse, ki ne verjamejo celi paniki okoli "strašnega covida" 

Čim je toliko nakladanja, pomeni, da nimajo pojma.

Zadeve je potrebno razložiti kratko in jedrnato, da razumejo vsi takoj.

Poglej app #ostanizdrav, 99% ne bo tistega teksta prebralo.

[Alla]

Ja, seveda, pa še v angleščini je, pa ne zastopite, a ne. 

Za tiste lene, je tule samo povzetek (ups, ja, še vedno v angleščini)

Overview

1. According to the latest immunological studies, the overall lethality of Covid-19 (IFR) is about 0.1% to 0.3% and thus in the range of a severe influenza (flu).
2. For people at high risk or high exposure (including health care workers), early or prophylactic treatment is essential to prevent progression of the disease.
3. In countries like the US, the UK, and also Sweden (without a lockdown), overall mortality since the beginning of the year is in the range of a strong influenza season; in countries like Germany and Switzerland, overall mortality so far is in the range of a mild influenza season.
4. In most places, the risk of death for the general population of school and working age is in the range of a daily car ride to work. The risk was initially overestimated because many people with only mild or no symptoms were not taken into account.
5. Up to 80% of all test-positive persons remain symptom-free. Even among 70-79 year olds, about 60% remain symptom-free. About 95% of all people develop at most moderate symptoms.
6. Up to 60% of all persons may already have a certain cellular background immunity to the new coronavirus due to contact with previous coronaviruses (i.e. cold viruses). The initial assumption that there was no immunity against the new coronavirus was not correct.
7. The median age of the deceased in most countries (including Italy) is over 80 years (e.g. 86 years in Sweden) and only about 4% of the deceased had no serious preconditions. The age and risk profile of deaths thus essentially corresponds to normal mortality.
8. In many countries, up to two thirds of all extra deaths occurred in nursing homes, which do not benefit from a general lockdown. Moreover, in many cases it is not clear whether these people really died from Covid-19 or from weeks of extreme stress and isolation.
9. Up to 30% of all additional deaths may have been caused not by Covid-19, but by the effects of the lockdown, panic and fear. For example, the treatment of heart attacks and strokes decreased by up to 60% because many patients no longer dared to go to hospital.
10. Even in so-called “Covid-19 deaths” it is often not clear whether they died from or with coronavirus (i.e. from underlying diseases) or if they were counted as “presumed cases” and not tested at all. However, official figures usually do not reflect this distinction.
11. Many media reports of young and healthy people dying from Covid-19 turned out to be false: many of these young people either did not die from Covid-19, they had already been seriously ill (e.g. from undiagnosed leukaemia), or they were in fact 109 instead of 9 years old. The claimed increase in Kawasaki disease in children also turned out to be exaggerated.
12. Most Covid-19 symptoms can also be caused by severe influenza (including pneumonia, thrombosis and the temporary loss of the sense of smell), but with severe Covid-19 these symptoms are indeed more frequent and more pronounced.
13. Strong increases in regional mortality can occur if there is a collapse in the care of the elderly and sick as a result of infection or panic, or if there are additional risk factors such as severe air pollution. Questionable regulations for dealing with the deceased sometimes led to additional bottlenecks in funeral or cremation services.
14. In countries such as Italy and Spain, and to some extent the UK and the US, hospital overloads due to strong flu waves are not unusual. Moreover, this year up to 15% of health care workers were put into quarantine, even if they developed no symptoms.
15. The often shown exponential curves of “corona cases” are misleading, as the number of tests also increased exponentially. In most countries, the ratio of positive tests to tests overall (i.e. the positivity rate) remained constant at 5% to 20% or increased only slightly. In many countries, the peak of the spread was already reached well before the lockdown.
16. Countries without lockdowns, such as Japan, South Korea, Belarus and Sweden, have not experienced a more negative course of events than many other countries. Sweden was even praised by the WHO and now benefits from higher immunity compared to lockdown countries. 75% of Swedish deaths happened in nursing facilities that weren’t protected fast enough.
17. The fear of a shortage of ventilators was unjustified. According to lung specialists, the invasive ventilation (intubation) of Covid-19 patients, which is partly done out of fear of spreading the virus, is in fact often counterproductive and damaging to the lungs.
18. Various studies have shown that the main routes of transmission of the virus are neither long-range aerosols (i.e. tiny particles floating in the air) nor smear infections (i.e. on surfaces), but direct contact and droplets produced when talking or coughing. However, in some circumstances, indoor aerosol transmission appears to be possible.
19. There is still little to no scientific evidence for the effectiveness of cloth face masks in healthy and asymptomatic individuals. Experts warn that such masks may interfere with normal breathing and may become “germ carriers” if used repeatedly.
20. Many clinics in Europe and the US remained strongly underutilized or almost empty during lockdowns and in some cases had to send staff home. Millions of surgeries and therapies were cancelled, including many cancer screenings and organ transplants.
21. Several media were caught trying to dramatize the situation in hospitals, sometimes even with manipulative images and videos. In general, the unprofessional reporting of many media maximized fear and panic in the population.
22. The virus test kits used internationally are prone to errors and can produce false positive and false negative results. Moreover, the official virus test was not clinically validated due to time pressure and may sometimes react positive to other common coronaviruses.
23. Numerous internationally renowned experts in the fields of virology, immunology and epidemiology consider the measures taken to be counterproductive and recommend rapid natural immunization of the general population and protection of risk groups.
24. At no time was there a medical reason for the closure of schools, as the risk of disease and transmission in children is extremely low. There is also no medical reason for small classes, masks or ‘social distancing’ rules in schools.
25. Several medical experts described express coronavirus vaccines as unnecessary or even dangerous. Indeed, the vaccine against the so-called swine flu of 2009, for example, led to cases of severe neurological damage and lawsuits in the millions. In the testing of new coronavirus vaccines, too, serious complications and failures have already been reported.
26. A global respiratory disease pandemic can indeed extend over several seasons, but many studies of a “second wave” are based on very unrealistic assumptions, such as a constant risk of illness and death across all age groups.
27. In several places, nurses described an oftentimes fatal medical mis­manage­ment of Covid patients due to questionable financial incentives and inappropriate medical protocols.
28. The number of people suffering from unemployment, depression and domestic violence as a result of the measures has reached historic record levels. Several experts predict that the measures will claim far more lives than the virus itself. According to the UN 1.6 billion people around the world are at immediate risk of losing their livelihood.
29. NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden warned that the “corona crisis” may be used for the permanent expansion of global surveillance. In several parts of the world, the population is being monitored by drones and facing serious police overreach during lockdowns.
30. A 2019 WHO study on measures against pandemic influenza found that from a medical perspective, “contact tracing” is “not recommended in any circumstances”. Nevertheless, contact tracing apps have already become partially mandatory in several countries. In some countries, such “contact tracing” is carried out directly by the secret service.

 

[Snečer]

Zastopimo, zakaj ne bi, nič več ne bom vedel, če prečitam še eno sveto resnico.

[dr.looney]

pred 2 urami, kaizer pravi:

Študija Švicarskih zdravnikov:

 

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

Tole je totalen zmazek. Tako, cisto mimogrede. Nekdo, je na hitro zvlekel na kup stvari, ki mu niso glih najbolj jasne.

Moje mnenje. 

Pa se ne grem igrice naši in vaši. 

[BIF]

To so dejstva...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Lani ob tem času je bilo stanje NULA!!!

Kdor tega ne razume....se mu tudi nič ne splača razlagat. Vse vmes je premetavanje številk....kakor komu paše. 
Zame je pomembno samo to, da ne bom še ena številka na zgornjem seznamu.

Popravljeno Avgust 18, 2020. Popravil BIF

[thumper]

pred 7 urami, Darko3g pravi:

To pomeni, da 10 okuženih okuži še 9 neokuženih, teh devet okuži 8 novih in tako dalje, in ker večina okuženih preboli, počasi virus usahne.

Če bi pa bila prenosljivost 3 ali 5, pa bi vsak okuženi okuženi okužil 5 novih, teh pet bi okužilo 25 novih, pa 125, pa 625, pa 3125 itd, potem bi pa res imeli krizo.

trenutni faktor je prek 1.0.. kar ni lepo..

[DAMI34]

Motorja tu naum več vozu, da ne bom številka na seznamu prometnih..kurc, kr umrl bom, da naum številka na kakem drugem seznamu

Smrt je dokaz, da je življenje nevarno.

 

[tomash]

Bom še jaz vprašal za prijatelja. Koliko vas, ki ste tako prestrašeni, dejansko vozi motor, oziroma vas gre čez občinsko mejo? Prijatelj menda že ve odgovor.

[thumper]

pred 3 minutami, tomash pravi:

Bom še jaz vprašal za prijatelja. Koliko vas, ki ste tako prestrašeni, dejansko vozi motor, oziroma vas gre čez občinsko mejo? Prijatelj menda že ve odgovor.

Tvoj prjatu je p*čka..

[nejc74]

4 hours ago, kaizer said:

Študija Švicarskih zdravnikov:

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

samo par stvari:

- ni študija švicarskih zdravnikov

- je stran, ki poskuša dajati vtis, da je predstavitev uradne strani

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Propaganda_Research

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Policy_Research

zdaj pa tako, ne trdim in mislim da so na strani same laži, trdim pa, da se je ne sme jemati kot zanesljiv vir sam po sebi, torej brez da sam naštudiraš vire in potem narediš izvleček. Komur se da. Je pa tipičen pokazatelj v kaj se je sprevrgla "informacijska družba" in kaj je v osnovi narobe pri borbi držav s covidom-19. Preplavljeni smo z (dez)informacijami, ki jih številni plasirajo in interpretirajo po svoje, kakor jim pač koristi.

[Snečer]

Influencer Potrč je nervozen, fitnes mu lahko zaprejo spet

[BIF]

pred eno uro, tomash pravi:

Bom še jaz vprašal za prijatelja. Koliko vas, ki ste tako prestrašeni, dejansko vozi motor, oziroma vas gre čez občinsko mejo? Prijatelj menda že ve odgovor.

....kaj si ti siromaček zdaj sploh želel vprašat. Ti je šef dal dovoljenje da nekaj napišeš? 
Kaj ima veze vožnja motorja čez občinske meje z debato o korona virusu? 
Nič pametnega še nisi povedal na to temo in zdaj, ko ti prijatelj drži štango se spet oglasiš s kozlarijo. Pusti ti te razprave, ker ti ne gre. Drži se supozitornih dejavnosti.

[Snečer]

kaj pa je to za ena debata